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Originally posted by apprentice:

Since you asked so politely, here is just one of a lot of links available in seconds to you:

https://www.eatthis.com/americ...-in-other-countries/

That article is about food additives that Europe has banned or regulated.

The OP’s article was arguing that the government needs to declare THE FOOD ITSELF as a “drug” therefore to be banned or regulated as they see fit.

Not the same thing.

Never said I agreed they should be classified as drugs. You said you didn't see any of the regulations in Europe that I was talking about.

Yeah, I'll take nutrition advice from a commie with a PhD in psychology.

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Woke idiots.

I agree to this about the regulation of food aka classify foods as drugs.

However, the rest can be successfully argued about the healthiness (or lack of) of the products is correct.

Just because someone aka the Government says (or actually is) something is better or worse for you does not mean they should intervene with freedom-stripping laws.

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Originally posted by frayedends:

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Originally posted by OKCGene:
Well you can get pizza crust made from Cauliflower.

I've not tried it but I am willing to.

Anybody else try it?
.

I’ve tried it. It’s edible but it’s a delivery mechanism for topping. Not delicious like flour dough.

Regarding flour, it also used to be fermented for a long time to make dough. Todays quick rise crap doesn’t help nutrition.

Nevertheless I wasn’t condemning wheat flour alone. But it gets the addiction to carbs going and that can result in insulin resistance.

I don't agree, a couple of chains here have cauliflower pizzas and they are delicious, Marco's and Johnny's NY pizza

For the most part I gave up wheat products, I will still eat it, especially at our favorite Italian restaurant that serves wonderful bread with this sun dried tomato and olive oil dip, droolll

I was just having this discussion the other day.
I predict MSG, red40, high fructose corn syrup, etc will be reclassified like nicotine was.
The powers that be will come to the same conclusion they did when they finally figured out cigarettes were bad for you.

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
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The powers that be will come to the same conclusion they did when they finally figured out cigarettes were bad for you.

But, are they really? Lol

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Originally posted by frayedends:

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Originally posted by OKCGene:
Well you can get pizza crust made from Cauliflower.

I've not tried it but I am willing to.

Anybody else try it?
.

I’ve tried it. It’s edible but it’s a delivery mechanism for topping. Not delicious like flour dough.

Regarding flour, it also used to be fermented for a long time to make dough. Todays quick rise crap doesn’t help nutrition.

Nevertheless I wasn’t condemning wheat flour alone. But it gets the addiction to carbs going and that can result in insulin resistance.

I have made them ~ not anywhere close to a real Pizza in taste.
I used to make Pizza's from scratch a LOT.
They were awesome.
Now since going low-carb - I don't eat them anymore.
Considering Italian food was my favorite - pasta and pizza crusts have taken a bit hit.
Cauliflower is a decent substitute but the flour based ones are better tasting and addicting ~ just too many carbs.
You can also make a decent no-flour crust with cheese Parmesan, Mozzarella, egg ~ prebaked.
Pretty decent actually.

Sorry, cauliflower “pizza” is NOT pizza

It’s cauliflower with sauce and cheese on top

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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
If a freshly made pizza of flour, tomatoes, and cheese is considered "highly processed," then we have bigger problems.

First of all: How many people do you suppose make their own pizzas from fresh ingredients? Secondly: Even if they do, common, off-the-shelf refined white flour has had many of its nutrients removed and a bunch of distinctly unhealthy things added (L-cysteine, alloxan, and others).

Pizza, even if made from fresh, whole ingredients, contains a lot of sodium, carbs, and sugar.

I wouldn't quite put pizza in the same category as chips, candy bars, most breakfast cereals, donuts, etc., but a healthy choice it definitely ain't.

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Originally posted by frayedends:
Flour is highly processed. Basically it’s pure starch. IT’s converted to glucose quickly in the body. That spikes insulin and a fat storage response.

Yup. This is the thing most people don't understand. Your body has only so much ability to utilize carbs. Carbs it can't use right away get converted to fat and stored.

A diet high in simple and refined carbs, sugars, and alcohol makes you fat. And you cannot reasonably work it off, no matter how hard you try. It's just that simple.

I like that stuff. I'm addicted to it as surely as anybody else. But I'm more addicted to not dying an unnecessarily early death or having to roll around in a fat scooter.

Re: Pizza...

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Now since going low-carb - I don't eat them anymore.
Considering Italian food was my favorite - pasta and pizza crusts have taken a bit hit.

Eh... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Like everything else: Pizza and pasta is ok, IMO, in moderation.

My wife is very food health conscious. But still she'll occasionally make pasta, we'll order a pizza, or we'll go out for burgers and fries for dinner. We'd also occasionally buy donuts (not anymore--can't find a good donut around here anymore). The key word here being "occasionally."

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:


Re: Pizza...

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Now since going low-carb - I don't eat them anymore.
Considering Italian food was my favorite - pasta and pizza crusts have taken a bit hit.

Eh... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Like everything else: Pizza and pasta is ok, IMO, in moderation.

It doesn't take many carbs to blow you out of Ketosis.
If you are not on that type of diet then it really doesn't matter.
They call it "cheat meals" when you deviate but no it won't kill you.
It just depends on how disciplined you are.
Sometimes circumstances are where you can't help it.
Not something written in stone - just guidelines.

Her whole argument conflates the terms dangerous, harder to manage, etc all relate to her point that food is more accessible than cocaine or heroin. That’s a stretch in logic. She also says nicotine is deadlier than any other drug. That’s bullshit. It kills more which is what she is saying but she’s putting it in terms that are misleading. Heroin is definitely deadlier than nicotine (or food) it just isn’t as widely used. She is doing the classic lies, outright lies, and statistics jumbo jumbo.

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Originally posted by OKCGene:
Well you can get pizza crust made from Cauliflower.

I've not tried it but I am willing to.

Anybody else try it?
.

I tried it at a pizza place in Cheyenne and I would have thought it was a regular crust had I not known it was cauliflower. I could easily live with that type crust.

JP

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Originally posted by smschulz:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Re: Pizza...

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Now since going low-carb - I don't eat them anymore.
Considering Italian food was my favorite - pasta and pizza crusts have taken a bit hit.

Eh... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Like everything else: Pizza and pasta is ok, IMO, in moderation.

It doesn't take many carbs to blow you out of Ketosis.
If you are not on that type of diet then it really doesn't matter.

Ah, ok. Yeah, that's true.

I'm not on that kind of diet. I have fat to lose, but not that much fat (I'm at ±21% BF atm), which places me slightly above the middle of the "normal" range for a male my age. I'm not in a hurry to get it off, just so long as I do get rid of it. Goal is a minimum of 1/2% BF/mo. until I get down to no more than 18%. Ultimate goal is to see if I can get back down to the 15% I was at at retirement.

I was in ketosis once. I was doing a 30-day fat loss challenge and swore I was going to win this time. I was down to less than 50g of carbs/day. Hardly any of them simple or refined. I dropped over 2% BF in that thirty days, if memory serves The gym's owner, when she checked me at the end of the Challenge, was astonished, because I started at somewhere around where I am now.

Needless to say: I wasn't eating pizza. At all.

The study will lead to a way to tax these foods more like cigarettes. Any way to get their hands in your pockets, a federal and state tax on pizza, pizza must have a tax stamp to be sold.

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Originally posted by spunk639:
The study will lead to a way to tax these foods more like cigarettes. Any way to get their hands in your pockets, a federal and state tax on pizza, pizza must have a tax stamp to be sold.

Some of us will not survive a crushing tax on pizza...might have to explore the illicit pizza market

“There outta be a law”

Does it involve deceit, or violence against a person?”

If not, then “No.”

The market is working rapidly toward a shift to regenerative ag, because chemical fertilizers are failing.

As that happens, nutrient density will return to mass food. The last thing we ever need is government interference.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
“There outta be a law”

Does it involve deceit, or violence against a person?”

If not, then “No.”

The market is working rapidly toward a shift to regenerative ag, because chemical fertilizers are failing.

As that happens, nutrient density will return to mass food. The last thing we ever need is government interference.

Like Sri Lanka? Like Holland? Canada?

No more hydrocarbon fertilizers.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
“There outta be a law”

Does it involve deceit, or violence against a person?”

If not, then “No.”

My nick is ensigmatic and I approve this message.

Screw the chocolate, ice creme, candy and pop.

I miss my breads and pastas, most of all.