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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:

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Originally posted by Bytes:
What did we learn on this "mission"?
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How to get to the moon safely.
And to correct any problems that arise for future missions.


The next mission is to rendezvous with and test the landers.

Bullshit. We already know how to do the shit you speak of. Rendezvous in space, well that can't happen. Oh wait a second...

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Are there alternate landing areas available?

Can they enter orbit and wait for better conditions?

I had the same question last night and am still curious what the answer is. I believe it was even after service module separation (although it might have been immediately before), they said "ocean conditions are go" or something like that. And I was like "that's good...what are you going to do at this point if they're not?"

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Originally posted by Bytes:

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:

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Originally posted by Bytes:
What did we learn on this "mission"?
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How to get to the moon safely.
And to correct any problems that arise for future missions.


The next mission is to rendezvous with and test the landers.

Bullshit. We already know how to do the shit you speak of. Rendezvous in space, well that can't happen. Oh wait a second...

What? So they can dock with an unproven piece of equipment?
Well please, demonstrate how it's done with something that hasn't been flown before.
How many attempts to dock have failed?
Gemini 4 and 8, was a nightmare.
Starliner was a goddamn boondoggle.
Yet oh wait a second...
Maybe you could go show them why they don't need to practice and collect data.
Bullshit my ass.

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/pdf/10.2514/6.2025-98304

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Originally posted by Bytes:

Bullshit. We already know how to do the shit you speak of. Rendezvous in space, well that can't happen. Oh wait a second...

So, what you are saying is you have experience with this and know it all?

Unproven equipment without data for the new masses?

You had ALL this data and failed to share it with NASA so these tests didn't need to be carried out?

Or are you just drinking and all smart now?

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:

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Originally posted by Bytes:

Bullshit. We already know how to do the shit you speak of. Rendezvous in space, well that can't happen. Oh wait a second...

So, what you are saying is you have experience with this and know it all?

Unproven equipment without data for the new masses?

You had ALL this data and failed to share it with NASA so these tests didn't need to be carried out?

Or are you just drinking and all smart now?

Maybe you can explain to me what the long term goal is and what it will provide us? Oh, explain how proud you are of Artimess and the delays and cost overruns. I'll wait.

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Originally posted by Bytes:
Maybe you can explain to me what the long term goal is and what it will provide us? Oh, explain how proud you are of Artimess and the delays and cost overruns. I'll wait.

I'll wait for you to sober up.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:

I'll wait for you to sober up.

I'm stone cold sober cowboy... still waiting for an answer as to how proud you are of NASA.

Are you boys part of the flotation ring crew?

I’ll wade in. I think his question is valid regardless of sobriety questions lol. I’ve read the ideas. Make a moon station so that travel to Mars becomes more feasible. Something along the lines of launch from Earth and then get fuel and such from a Moon base hence saving a ton of cost trying to build ever bigger rockets.

I guess other than being able to hold Elons funeral on Mars I too struggle with the big picture goal. Nothing I've ever read about the previous Mars missions indicates anything there that is worth the cost or is feasible to bring back at scale.

If this is a we explore because we must then that might be a valid goal. Whether it is a worthy expense is another matter altogether.

I like America being the world leader in basically all things but I sometimes wonder if the juice is worth the squeeze. For example I can see all kinds of less desirable outcomes of us using the moon as a way station. We can’t even keep Everest clean. Or devoid of dead bodies. Lol.

Good job NASA regardless.

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Originally posted by Bytes:

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:

I'll wait for you to sober up.

I'm stone cold sober cowboy... still waiting for an answer as to how proud you are of NASA.

I would be ashamed to admit that kind of ignorance being sober.

Proud? LOL

There are two kinds of nations on this earth. Those who set a man on the moon and the squalid third world.

We are going to establish a moon base under Trump.

Cry all you want and HATE the US for doing this.

Go cry with the demorrhoids.

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Well, considering your member name…

My observations of the astronaut retrieval is it was unnecessarily slow and complex. Whatever safety was added by installing the patio and flotation ring, seemed to be offset by more time in the capsule. Chopper plucking in harnesses seems way more dangerous than stepping into a boat. Boats moving for no reason and little sense of not throwing wakes at the capsule seemed dumb.

If indeed the trained for retrieval system is more able to handle rougher seas or some other unknown contingency, the system needs more flexibility if the seas are moderate. If I were planning it, I would try to keep any divers out of the water unless absolutely needed.

How about one boat approaches the capsule with one man climbing on to attach a hook to a crane which lifts the capsule onto the deck of the big recovery vessel.

Taking all things into consideration, and all the things which could have gone wrong, a slow recovery which had a communications glitch that impeded the proceedings is nothing more than a learning opportunity.



Something to consider here.

https://x.com/MarkDavis/status/2042764949320012116



Let's have no further bickering, gentlemen.

They splashed down about 65 miles off the coast. It took 90ish mins to extract the crew, with multiple helicopters. It seemed to be not as efficient as Elon's recovery, and maybe he's already called Trump and said, "I've already figured out the better way.

I don't have any insight on this recovery. Maybe the Navy just wanted to do it the Navy way. Next time they could just splashdown closer to the coast, and let it drift ashore.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
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Well, considering your member name…

AAK AAAK AK AK !!!!!

America just went to the moon and back and all the malcontents come out to poo poo the accomplishment.

I think he meant all these moon missions are a precursor to Mars missions. Mars Attacks. lol

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Originally posted by Bytes:
Maybe you can explain to me what the long term goal is and what it will provide us? Oh, explain how proud you are of Artimess and the delays and cost overruns. I'll wait.

What it provides us is just about impossible to say from a material standpoint. I guess it is possible to find much-needed mineral resources, lithium for instance, but there is a huge benefit to the psyche of our citizens that isn't possible to measure.

As a child, I remember the tremendous pride that filled our nation when we landed on the moon. It fueled our optimism, not just as a nation, but for the whole planet; we could literally reach for the stars. All things seemed possible.

It was also a major Cold War victory, and we won it without firing a shot. The Soviets congratulated us, but it was a major blow to them. China simply gnashed their teeth and screamed about American Imperialism, but Mao and his oligarchs were demoralized as well.

Authoritarian governments aside, the general world population that was able to witness the landing on TV felt a oneness with all humankind, and a positive feeling about the USA. Who knows what the world would look like today if Nixon had not knee-capped NASA and reduced us to performing science fair experiments while endlessly orbiting the earth. Or if Democrats hadn’t further demoted it to a propaganda machine promoting global warming.

Putin has essentially reignited the Cold War, and I believe reasserting our dominance in space is, again, a huge blow. And I have no doubt that Xi Jinping has similar feelings about our new missions. Good.

More importantly, we have a new, shared optimism created by this milestone. Here in the US, and in other countries, like Russia, there has been a growing skepticism that we ever actually went to the moon. Most Russians now believe we faked it all in Hollywood, and way too many Americans are starting to share this sentiment; one poll has belief that the moon landing was a hoax at 12%, with another 17% unsure. Losing confidence in one’s nation is demoralizing and it can easily lead to disintegration.

Although our expectations are now tempered by a greater general understanding of the laws of physics, and what probes have revealed to us about the planets around us, along with what the Hubble and Webb telescopes have revealed about the realities of the universe, there are still realistic goals being set about our abilities to do near-solar system exploration. And space exploration may be the single greatest thing to unite both the left(at the grass roots level) and the right in this country.

This also puts a spotlight on backward regimes, like Iran, North Korea, et. al. In these events, their idiocy is magnified and it can further turn world sentiment away from them and to the nations that embrace Western values.

And we truly do not know what we will discover or what technologies will be developed as we engage in this pursuit, but the spirit this effort ignites in our people, especially our children, and the good that can come from it, is immeasurable.

The minerals argument is interesting. Lithium ain’t light and we need a bunch of it. Mars has a thinner atmosphere but I figure it still takes a lot of rocket to get off the surface. I wonder what the cost of lithium would have to be to even approach break even cost. I suspect it is a lot.

I got no argument for national pride. I’m all for that. I just know I also look at our national debt and to establish a base on the Moon and Mars will not be an insubstantial cost. At 33 trillion and counting is it worth it? I would just like to hear the govt plan and how it will pay for itself or at least offset its cost. That’s all. Never heard an official source on that.

I don’t know. Still pretty impressive stuff regardless. I loved the “patio and flotation” ring comment. lol

I am super proud and excited about any of our space programs. I never could wrap my head around the whole "Why should we be going to space?" question. It seems so small-minded and short-sighted.

It's as if we live on a single grain of sand in one tiny bay in the ocean. What do we get from exploring the rest of the universe? EVERYTHING.

Resources, room to expand, new technology, new discoveries. Hell, the most basic argument is that we get to expand away from this grain of sand. "All of your eggs in one basket" doesn't even begin to cover our current situation. One rogue planetoid, a stray gamma ray burst, or one of dozens of other natural occurrences in our galaxy and humanity may as well have never existed at all.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
We are going to establish a moon base under Trump.

And the moon base will do exactly what for the US and how much will it cost? Can NASA stay on budget? Can NASA stay on schedule? NO and NO would be the correct answers. Are you drinking Mars? We're going to have a moon base in the next 2 1/2 years? Well of course we will.