For the record it was a Capitol Police Officer, not a member of the Secret Service.

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Originally posted by badguybuster:
Fauci, Milley, the entire J6 committe and the SS officer who killed Ashli Babbitt.

https://apnews.com/article/bid...1513fb48d7ae700ae747

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Originally posted by StorminNormin:

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Since many of the things these some of these people did affected people in each of the states, could not each of the states sue/bring charges?

27 states still could bring a lot of heat for a long time.

Tie their hands, make them sweat.

A presidential pardon is only good for federal crimes so if a crime took place in a state, which obviously it would, then the prosecutor in the area that has venue could pursue state charges I would imagine.

Hmmm, the NIH campus is located in Bethesda, Maryland, which is 10 miles from the center of Washington, DC.

Plus, I'm pretty sure you cannot be pardoned by a pResident for 'Crimes Against Humanity' anyway!

Can any legal minds here answer or, elaborate - how can a pardon be issued, if no charges have been made or, grand jury findings have been provided?
Are these preemptive pardon's even binding given the lack of specifics and broad dating?

This is wading into unprecedented area that Congress at this point, needs to peel-back the onion and provide more definition into this Constitutional clause.

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Originally posted by corsair:
Can any legal minds here answer or, elaborate - how can a pardon be issued, if no charges have been made or, grand jury findings have been provided?
Are these preemptive pardon's even binding given the lack of specifics and broad dating?

This is wading into unprecedented area that Congress at this point, needs to peel-back the onion and provide more definition into this Constitutional clause.

Just look back to Ford's pardon of Nixon.
He wasn't charged or convicted of anything at that point.
In that case, I really believe Ford did it for the good of the country so we could move on from the paralysis we'd gone through for several years. He knew it likely would cost him the election and it probably did. But it was the right thing to do then.

These pardons may fit the same legal description but they're nothing like Nixon's.
These pardons, done early in the day, were a cover or distraction for the late friends & family bag-man pardons, done to cover for the grifter family in the last minutes, that sold out the country for relative peanuts.

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Originally posted by corsair:
Can any legal minds here answer or, elaborate - how can a pardon be issued, if no charges have been made or, grand jury findings have been provided? ...

It's Amnesty.

The Donald should recall Milley to active duty and then bust him down to E-1.

I hope the Biden Crime Family has saved and invested their loot well, because their brand is worthless now. Absolutely worthless. Biden won't be able to raise money for a library. His brother and son will never earn a dime without the Big Guy's influence to peddle. Dr. Jill isn't going to get rich with a book deal or on the speaking circuit. I think their gravy train has come to its final stop. I doubt they'll miss a meal, but I also doubt they'll rake in much more than Joe's pension.

Don't worry Rick. they have more offshore accounts we could never find them all, there ain't no dirty laundry.

Good! Those need to be declared and taxed, and no pardon will cover their failure to do so in the future.

Over 40 years making the laws, they ain't loosing the grift

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

The Donald should recall Milley to active duty and then bust him down to E-1.

Too bad that E-0 doesn't exist.

Despite Biden Pardon, Fauci Still Faces Legal Perils. Here They Are.

President Biden’s pardon of Dr. Anthony Fauci may protect the former National Institutes of Health official from immediate criminal prosecution, but some critics say he is not completely out of legal jeopardy and that public sentiment might still condemn the man who became known during the COVID-19 pandemic as “Mr. Science.”

In the days before Biden offered the pardon to Fauci, along with other critics of Donald Trump, some experts who have followed Fauci’s career and handling of the pandemic, as well as members of the Trump transition team, reiterated their assertion that Fauci perjured himself on several occasions during the pandemic – especially regarding his agency’s links to the lab in Wuhan, China, that might have created the virus that causes COVID-19.

The pardon addresses any COVID-related offenses, and is backdated to 2014—the year a U.S. ban on so-called "gain of function" virus research took effect -- research Fauci is accused of outsourcing to China.
Related: Fauci Responds: 'I Have Committed No Crime,' Townhall

Despite reporting that Trump is bent on revenge, the appetite among MAGA appointees for holding Fauci accountable hasn’t been particularly vocal. But former Senate investigator Jason Foster, who now runs the whistleblower nonprofit Empower Oversight, says that Biden’s pardon creates new legal jeopardy for Fauci. Sen. Rand Paul has vowed to continue investigating the COVID origins question, and sources tell RealClearInvestigations that Sen. Ron Johnson and House Republican investigators plan to do so as well. When testifying in those inquiries or answering written depositions, Fauci will be unable to dodge questions by invoking his Fifth Amendment protections against self-incrimination. “They can ask him if he lied before, replough old ground,” Foster said. “And if he lies about any prior lie, he can be prosecuted for that or held in contempt.”

Andrew Noymer, associate professor of population health and disease prevention at the University of California, Irvine, said such hearings are necessary for scientific and historical reasons. “I’m hopeful that he will now come clean about everything he knows about the origins of the virus,” Noymer said. “For the sake of public trust in science – explaining what killed 20 million people – that a complete account is much more important than speculation about what criminal penalties he may have avoided.”

“These pardons will not stop Department of Justice investigations,” said one adviser to the Trump transition team, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “We expected this and look at it as a predicate to get truth from people who can no longer use the Fifth Amendment. Now we can bring every one of them in front of a grand jury.”

https://www.realclearinvestiga...hey_are_1085875.html

Biden may have done us a favor, perhaps.
1. The pardons, once accepted, tarnished the reputations of those who were awarded pardons
2. If further investigations are better able to discover the truth of what happened and why, it will be extremely damaging to the scoundrels and their party.

^^^ Yep.

Here’s another white-hot take for you: Joe Biden deserves some of the credit for these terrific, broad J6 pardons. As you know, Biden pre-emptively pardoned human cockroach Fauci, the entire evidence-destroying J6 Committee, treasonous General Mark Milley, and Joe’s whole Biden Crime Family — and that final group was pardoned mere minutes before noon yesterday when Biden’s term officially ended.
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People were understandably infuriated by the Biden pardons. But they should also recognize that Biden’s unprecedented pre-emptive pardons also made Trump’s universal, pre-emptive J6 pardons politically possible. Indeed, it’s not just these pardons. Over the last four years, Biden busily destroyed many so-called “political norms” —with corporate media cheering him on— which now makes draining the swamp more politically possible.

It’s actually quite remarkable how helpful Biden’s horrible presidency is turning out to be.

I realize many of you will insist that the J6 pardons can’t be compared to Fauci and the rest. After all, the J6ers are innocent or were entrapped, while Fauci and crew are drenched in blood. That’s true, things would have been much harder without the Biden pardons. Trump could have pardoned the J6ers, including the ones convicted for acts of violence, but it would have been extremely politically expensive—eroding the power of Trump’s mandate and consuming much political capital.

Biden’s pardons made the J6 pardons politically cheap. After what Biden’s done, the media doesn’t want to get into trying to compare and contrast the two sets of pardons. Corporate media is cunning enough to recognize that argument is a quagmire and a slough of the first order.

Please recognize that this Fauci thing isn’t over, not by a long shot. His pardon has some legal problems. There may be other ways to get at him. But I’m about to make a very unpopular argument, so get ready: I don’t care that much about Fauci’s pardon. He is spry, but he’s eighty-four years old. Even if he were legally and properly charged, he would still be in his nineties by the time the appeals were done and so forth. They’d never lock him up, if he lives that long.

Fauci just involuntarily served his country by helping make the J6 pardons possible. He’ll be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his natural life, and he’ll die in witness protection.

And Fauci’s pardon cleared the way for something arguably more important.

Listen carefully: Fauci did not work alone. For years, Fauci has covered for a small army of co-conspirators, fellow scientists at the NIH and elsewhere, Fauci’s arms and legs, who carried out his evil schemes (and who aren’t 84 years old).

And who did not get pardons.

Consider all the NIH scientists who made millions from covid shot patents and who have never disclosed that conflict of interest. Think about UNC Professor Ralph Baric, who helped design the spike protein. Think about treasonous EcoHealth CEO Peter Daszak and everyone else on EcoHealth’s board, who all helped engineer the disastrous bioweapon in lockstep with the Communist Chinese military.

None of those people got pardons. And they all need jail cells. In a perverse way, Fauci’s pardon clears him off the deck, exposing the next crime layer down, a layer including the people who actually did the dirty work. With the human cockroach out of the picture, rightly or wrongly, we can now pursue Fauci’s many co-conspirators, who are just as guilty than he is, if not more so. And there are a lot of them.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com...s-tuesday-january-21

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Originally posted by 220-9er:

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Originally posted by corsair:
Can any legal minds here answer or, elaborate - how can a pardon be issued, if no charges have been made or, grand jury findings have been provided?
Are these preemptive pardon's even binding given the lack of specifics and broad dating?

This is wading into unprecedented area that Congress at this point, needs to peel-back the onion and provide more definition into this Constitutional clause.

Just look back to Ford's pardon of Nixon.
He wasn't charged or convicted of anything at that point.
In that case, I really believe Ford did it for the good of the country so we could move on from the paralysis we'd gone through for several years. He knew it likely would cost him the election and it probably did. But it was the right thing to do then.

These pardons may fit the same legal description but they're nothing like Nixon's.
These pardons, done early in the day, were a cover or distraction for the late friends & family bag-man pardons, done to cover for the grifter family in the last minutes, that sold out the country for relative peanuts.

The mechanics behind the Nixon pardon I've not looked to deeply into but, didn't the Dems secure a majority in the Senate afterwards which pushed more legislation overseeing and curtailing the Executive branch but, any talk of an impeachment would've been an exercise in partisan grandstanding?

Defiantly agree the actual last-minute pardon's Biden issued on the morning of the inauguration, is a giant admission of impropriety and illegal activities.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

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Originally posted by corsair:
Can any legal minds here answer or, elaborate - how can a pardon be issued, if no charges have been made or, grand jury findings have been provided? ...

It's Amnesty.

What I'm struggling with is "Amnesty over what"? Is it defined in any way or are they free of a blank slate of offenses? Say one of them committed murder in college, is that included. What if one of them commits a crime going forward?
I just absolutely hate the precedent that this seems to set. You think DC has been corrupt lawfare up to now, the future says "Hold my beer".

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Originally posted by Powers77:

What I'm struggling with is "Amnesty over what"? Is it defined in any way or are they free of a blank slate of offenses? Say one of them committed murder in college, is that included. What if one of them commits a crime going forward?

A pardon can only cover past crimes, not future crimes.

A pardon covers what it says in the details of the pardon itself. Hunter was pardoned for everything going back to 2014, so any federal crime is wiped away in that time period. Fauci afaik was pardoned for anything C19 related. So he would still be on the hook for other federal crimes (eg possessing a firearm in a federal facility) during the Covid era, or any federal crime prior to that.