“The Democratic Party now faces a choice.

The Hamas atrocities of October 7th have forever fractured any political alliance between centrist and liberal Jews and woke, anti-Israel progressives.

It's either them or us.

The coalition is at civil war. …”

Much more by Dershowitz in this DailyMail article:
https://mol.im/a/12707881

Fingers crossed.

Not happening. Why? I don't know, doesn't make sense

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Originally posted by BigSwede:
Not happening. Why? I don't know, doesn't make sense

If it doesn't make sense to you, you're not looking at what's going on.

The Obummer admin had no love for Israel or the Jews but they still voted for him

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Originally posted by BigSwede:
The Obummer admin had no love for Israel or the Jews but they still voted for him

You can't equate the Obama years with all that's going on right now. It is a hundred-fold worse now, for the Jews.

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Originally posted by BigSwede:
The Obummer admin had no love for Israel or the Jews but they still voted for him

Tell me about the widespread, open and enthusiastic antisemitism going on globally during the Obama administration.

Tell me about the widespread, open and enthusiastic antisemitism going on globally before October 7th.

I'd say you need to get your eyes checked.

Savages invade a sovereign country and slaughter innocent men, women and children, proudly broadcast videos of their inhumanity, and the response of much of the world is to blame Israel and begin openly harassing Jews- and you don't see the difference??

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by BigSwede:
The Obummer admin had no love for Israel or the Jews but they still voted for him

Tell me about the widespread, open and enthusiastic antisemitism going on globally during the Obama administration.

Tell me about the widespread, open and enthusiastic antisemitism going on globally before October 7th.

I'd say you need to get your eyes checked.

Savages invade a sovereign country and slaughter innocent men, women and children, proudly broadcast videos of their inhumanity, and the response of much of the world is to blame Israel and begin openly harassing Jews- and you don't see the difference??

It was always there just below the surface. We saw hints of it 9/11, 7/7, and during the more minor attacks by hamas (and others) it's just bubbling to the surface now.

Even before this it's been simmering, Kanye West shined some light on it. I was surprised by some of the shit I heard my black coworkers say after the Kanye stuff not knowing I'm Jewish.

The part that does surprise me is the glee in the "protestors" eyes and the completely open and unveiled antisemitism. It's shocking. They simply don't give a fuck and will say the most vile shit imaginable. Ben Shapiro recently visited some schools in the UK the students had no problem saying "from the river to the sea" and explaining the it's not the West Bank or Gaza they considered occupied, they are talking about the entirety of Isreal.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
It was always there just below the surface.

Honestly, now- do you really think you need to tell me this?

I see it, I see the difference. I just hope the folks affected take note and act

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
It was always there just below the surface.

Honestly, now- do you really think you need to tell me this?

I've thought of it as a small volcano that periodically burped up some lava, every now and then. Now it's clear to me that there's a much bigger magma chamber than I ever thought, more akin to a super volcano.

I don't understand the comments and responses from you or BigSwede and I'm not going to bother with this any further.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
“The Democratic Party now faces a choice.

The Hamas atrocities of October 7th have forever fractured any political alliance between centrist and liberal Jews and woke, anti-Israel progressives.

I like and respect Dersh, and I'm not claiming he's wrong, but, I'll believe it when I see it.

Centrist and liberal (*) Jews have long been loyal to the left, regardless of logic and reason. Much the same as they've been almost universally anti-gun despite the lessons of history. I've never understood it. I long ago gave up even trying.

It's like the LGBTQXYZ's, feminazis, wokenistas, etc. supporting Hamas--the latter of which would gleefully put the former to death for their beliefs and behavior. It's irrational to the point of insanity. Trying to make sense of such deranged "thinking" is an exercise in futility.

(*) By "liberal" I mean liberal, not leftist.

We welcome them with open arms. And as always, stand by them in their defense.

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issues deeply concerning to many Jews – issues such as abortion rights, gay rights, climate control, gun control and the Supreme Court.

Hard to beleive this is a realistic list for the average Jewish person, and not just the DC/NYC/SF leftists projections. Quite the opposite, it has been shown to them, again, how important private ownership of guns is (as if they needed any more evidence from history).

I'm thinking big picture here, and starting with a preamble before I get to my point in bold font. I'm wanting this (American Jews switching to GOP) to be a great thing not merely an OK thing.

For years, I couldn't figure out the American Jews who voted Democrat and were died in the wool liberals. The problem is that I had been looking this through my JudeoChristian lens, and wondering why JudeoChristian values weren't driving ballot box behavior. Painting in very broad strokes (i.e. mostly right but with plenty of exceptions), it helped to think about it by splitting into two buckets with those being the cultural Jew and the religious Jew, and then looking at the vast differences. For example, Pew Research polls indicate that:

53% of American Jews say religion is “not too” or “not at all” important to them personally.

43% of American Jews say being Jewish is mainly a matter of just culture (22%) or just ancestry (21%).

Among Jews as a whole, far more report that they find meaning in spending time with their families or friends, engaging with arts and literature, being outdoors, and pursuing their education or careers than find meaning in their religious faith. Twice as many Jewish Americans say they derive a great deal of meaning and fulfillment from spending time with pets as say the same about their religion.

I wrote all of the above because the symptoms are mentioned by Dershowitz in the OP's article:

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Yes, centrist Jews have an alternative: they can become centrist Republicans. But that, too, will not be easy, since the Republican party is moving to the right on issues deeply concerning to many Jews – issues such as abortion rights, gay rights, climate control, gun control and the Supreme Court.

The bolded items are liberal issues not religious Jew issues. Dershowitz isn't coming out and saying it, but liberalism is the religion of most cultural Jews.

I say welcome the new voters with open arms, hope the events of October 2023 (Oct 7th plus the antisemitism in US exposed) opened their eyes much like a Democrat who has been mugged, and mentor them in conservatism. The alternative is they vote for RINOs and we end up with purple states (i.e. blue + red mixes to form purple) instead of red states. Two examples of getting purple instead of red:

In Texas, the Ken Paxton (Texas AG) impeachment exposed that Republicans had unknowingly elected several dozen Democrats in Republican clothing who years before had realized they couldn't get elected in their district as a Democrat so they "switched." They (e.g. Texas state House Speaker Dade Phelan) use their office to attack Conservatism as shown with the Ken Paxton impeachment .

RINOs in positions of power (e.g. Rep Kevin McCarthy) who don't follow the mandate given to them by the voters.

No idea how to pair up those that switch with a conservative mentor. Any ideas?

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“The Democratic Party now faces a choice.

The Hamas atrocities of October 7th have forever fractured any political alliance between centrist and liberal Jews and woke, anti-Israel progressives.

It's either them or us.

The coalition is at civil war. …”

Many centrist and liberal Jews are figuring it out...
Many blacks are also figuring it out... the Democrat party is not what you thought it was.

Which is part of the reason why the southern border is wide open.
The Dems have to have a steady supply of new useful idiots voters.

I'm somewhat hesitant to express this, but having thought long and hard on why certain cohorts are so vested in their leftist political identities, I think it goes back to WWII and the clear distinction between the "conservative" socialists and the leftist socialists on each side of the European conflict. I think this dichotomy is still influencing politics today, especially for older folks who have passed their perspectives on to their kids. The fact that Communist regimes have failed their peoples even more profoundly than the Nazis did seems to not have been acknowledged by many. So Jews, and many other groups, have long associated conservative political ideologies with a demonstrated evil, and old habits are hard to break.

It does seem like many groups who have been influenced by that period of history are starting to wake up, at least a little, but there are still strong familial traditions that many find hard to break.

One would think. But then, there are plenty of other factors that SHOULD have had them squarely on the right. And for the life of me, I've never understood how that wasn't enough.

I’m not sure that this will make any of them switch party affiliation - at least not in any meaningful numbers that might have an impact on policy.

I would be cautiously optimistic at best but the cynic in me remembers their voting history in the past and that has never made a difference.

They will continue to vote for the party that supports those trying to exterminate them.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

The part that does surprise me is the glee in the "protestors" eyes and the completely open and unveiled antisemitism. It's shocking. They simply don't give a fuck and will say the most vile shit imaginable.

They are gleeful because they can now safely come out in public without consequence. The cockroaches are giddy being able to party with their fellow cockroaches rather than hiding behind the walls. They no longer have to scurry back to cover when the lights turn on.