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Originally posted by Prefontaine:

So EV’s can be good for our great country.

You'll never convince me of this. Also where am I charging an EV with no garage or driveway and only street parking at my house?

The EV hate is so strong. If it doesn't work for you. Don't buy one. If it works. Buy one.

Almost like it's cool to hate on them. Its like hating on a glock cause all your buddies talk trash about them and love Sigs or whatever instead so you assume the same mentality for little to no reason.

Maybe I'm sensitive cause I drive one. Like a buddy of yours making fun of a fat chick while he doesn't know your wife is a little heavy. *shrug*

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
If it doesn't work for you. Don't buy one. If it works. Buy one.

This is the key.

Where the simplicity of that statement goes foul, however, is that Big Gov is trying to tell us that we MUST buy one.

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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
If it doesn't work for you. Don't buy one. If it works. Buy one.

This is the key.

Where the simplicity of that statement goes foul, however, is that Big Gov is trying to tell us that we MUST buy one.

I think TRYING is the key word. It'll never happen... not at least for a LONG time. 50 years from now or something. May be a different story as tech / batteries, manufacturing, and infrastructure fix a whole host of issues. But that' not happening for a long time.

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
It'll never happen... not at least for a LONG time. 50 years from now or something. May be a different story as tech / batteries, manufacturing, and infrastructure fix a whole host of issues. But that' not happening for a long time.

But are they not essentially forcing it, by way of making "suitable" ICE vehicles unachieveable?

"Oh, no, mister citizen! Fuel economy requirements are now 65mpg or better! Can't do that? Well, we guess you'd better buy an electric. Sorry 'bout the ever-changing goalposts for traditional technology. Tough luck, buddy...."

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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
If it doesn't work for you. Don't buy one. If it works. Buy one.

This is the key.

Where the simplicity of that statement goes foul, however, is that Big Gov is trying to tell us that we MUST buy one.

Exactly, this is my issue. Abolish the EPA

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
Eh, maybe, but there’d be all manner of maintenance issues - that low of a usage is really hard on an IC drivetrain.

Maintenance issues weren't the topic; fuel cost/consumption was.

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
The EV hate is so strong. If it doesn't work for you. Don't buy one. If it works. Buy one.

Almost like it's cool to hate on them. Its like hating on a glock cause all your buddies talk trash about them and love Sigs or whatever instead so you assume the same mentality for little to no reason.

Is the government going to heavily subsidize the Glock and make it extremely difficult for Sig to keep producing?

I'll hate on them until the government stays out of it. I don't want to be forced to pay for something I don't want. Obviously, that goes for most things government does.

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
The EV hate is so strong. If it doesn't work for you. Don't buy one. If it works. Buy one.

Almost like it's cool to hate on them. Its like hating on a glock cause all your buddies talk trash about them and love Sigs or whatever instead so you assume the same mentality for little to no reason.

Maybe I'm sensitive cause I drive one. Like a buddy of yours making fun of a fat chick while he doesn't know your wife is a little heavy. *shrug*

Might as well get used to it. It’s going to continue.

The funniest story I have in these 10 years is pulling into a laser engraver in my Electric Toaster. I had just gotten my stamp from the ATF and it took fucking forever. So before I can Glock like remove my 16” barrel and insert my OEM 10” barrel (barrel change is 2 tabs on the rifle like a Glock), it needed to be engraved. I drive up there. And there is a customer gatekeeping the front door. Class 2 FFL (maybe Class 3). I walk in and he says “Are you lost?” I say no, of course not, here to get my rifle engraved so I can put on my short barrel. He demands to see it. I show him. I’m thinking he works there. Nope, just a got damn customer. He starts in on the car, EV this and that. During this the actual employee comes out, says my name (I had an appointment), writes down what I want laser engraved (Gun Trust name), and takes the rifle in the back to get it done after reviewing my stamp. Customer then starts asking 50 questions about the car and why I drive it. I explain it’s for cost reasons. I have panels on the house so it makes perfect sense financially. He then explains he daily drives a big V8 truck that guzzles fuel and how he spends at least $600 a month on gas just to get to the airport where he is a commercial airline mechanic (engines). I explain to him the lease is $200 (didn’t own it at the time) and juice is more or less free, pennies on the dollar. He then has an epiphany and says “Got damn, your car would save me hundreds per month” and I reply “That’s the entire fucking point genius. Are you understanding basic finance now?” He went from being a sarcastic prick to put in his place.

This shit will continue so just get used to it. IDGAF, it’s entertaining to read that the car dealers have AK’s pointed at customer’s heads “No you cannot buy that gas car/CUV/truck, you MUST buy an EV!!!!” The government can try whatever they want, the raisin and his ilk are fucked in November, shit is over. Auto mfr’s are pulling back on this EV shit and it’s starting to dial back. In the end, at least in the USA, the market will decide. For people that need an EV just as a commuter they make good sense providing you can buy a lower cost option. For many people they aren’t going to work, and we do not have the electric grid infrastructure to support it anyway.

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
the market will decide.

And that's what We the People want.

First hand experience with "The Hate" today.

A tiny town resident stopped in to tha Ace Hardware store today with his Tesla truck.

In the time it took me to walk thirty foot twords it to get a picture,
Some old shit kicker in an effen Yugo
Stopped and asked me what it was ,

I told him and he said
" I hope he has nothing but trouble with it"

The Yugo guy has EV envy…

A frickin' Yugo? I'd like to know how in blazes did he keep that POS running all these years. They're supposedly only 408 still licensed for the road in the US as of 2021 (according to Wikipedia). Out of over 141,000 sold here. Maybe there's a huge used parts market, kind of like what the Cybertruck will have a couple of decades (or less) from now...

Since I haven't been in this thread in quite a while...

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Originally posted by vthoky:
January 10, 2024



direct YouTube link

Figures it would be a British EV. In the tradition of Lucas.

Video captures Tesla vehicle bursting into flames as Hurricane Helene floods Florida garage:

A house in Florida caught fire in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene after a Tesla burst into flames in the garage purportedly due to coming into contact with saltwater, Reuters reported.

Nine people were in the Siesta Key home Sunday night when the Tesla vehicle, a Model X Plaid caught fire, KOLOTV reported. Siesta Key, a barrier island, is located about 68 miles south of Tampa.

The homeowners told Reuters they were asleep when two of their grandchildren heard strange popping noises and woke up the elders to determine when the sound was coming from. The family ran downstairs and were shocked to see their vehicle on fire, forcing them to flee into the street. The blaze engulfed the car and garage in under a minute, Reuters reported.

Fire hazard
Local authorities have now deemed these batteries, which have come into contact with salt water, a "fire hazard" and have warned the public to be careful and move them away from their homes.

"If your electric vehicle came in contact with flood water, don’t charge or start it," Dunedin Fire Rescue said on X, formerly Twitter. "Stay safe and let professionals inspect it first."

Does this same threat stand for hybrid vehicles? For us, an electric isn't right for us right now but I could definitely see our next vehicle being a hybrid. Toyota has seemed to master the hybrid.

I own 2014 Ford Escape; I plan on it being my last car (I am 83 y/o now). It gets OK mileage for my use and is low maintenance with the limited mileage I drive.

If, for some bizarre reason, I have to get a new car, I would consider a self-charging hybrid, but never an all electric.

YMMV…

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Originally posted by Edmond:
Does this same threat stand for hybrid vehicles? For us, an electric isn't right for us right now but I could definitely see our next vehicle being a hybrid. Toyota has seemed to master the hybrid.

I would imagine so, it probably affects anything with a lithium ion battery pack. Saltwater destroys vehicle electronics in general, the consequences of something going wrong are just higher when the electronics in question are storing Kilowatts of energy. The bigger the battery pack, the bigger the fire so to speak.

Lithium battery packs in all sorts of things seem to have this issue. One the house fires in my county this last week was suspected to have been caused by the guy’s golf cart. I wonder how insurance would handle your house burning down because your car caught on fire due to a flood?

Kind of an interesting quirk in the building codes for flood zones is that only living space has to be built above the flood elevation; garages aren’t living space and are frequently built lower so your driveway isn’t a crazy grade to the garage. Forgetting EVs, a lot of people have battery power lawnmower’s that sit on the garage floor and battery powered tools that sit in their cases on a shelf under the workbench.

I think people are going to rethink where things like that get stored.

At the bunker, we chose to have the garage the same height. The garage floor is about 6’ above the street and the drive is 35’ long, so it’ll be a challenge if you walk with a cane. The car doors don’t stay open if you park in the driveway.





It’s hard to see the angle from the pictures, but in the top picture, I’m standing on the road taking the picture. On the left side, you can see the backyard to the left neighbor’s roof. His house floor is maybe a foot above the road.

Jeep has issued a notice to the hybrid owners asking them NOT to charge them up due to them catching fire