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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
Because most Democrats have little morals. In their minds, they are smarter than everything else and know what is better for everyone else (not themselves, mind you, they're exempt). So they're willing to do whatever it takes to get their way and feel the ends justify any means they take.

Seems to me your description quite well fits most liberals I know personally.

Moral relativism, and mental gymnastics, to justify the insanity in their minds.

(I want to punch the next hippie that says "I feel like...")

How do you think we are going to beat these people come election time? In this thread alone other Americans have been described with "little morals." Insane, vicious, cheaters, weak, selfish, dirty, stole an election, moral relativists, and dimwhitcrap party. Whatever the fuck that last one means. Do you think we can build a winning coalition with this kind of rhetoric? If this is honestly how you feel and openly talk about them why would you expect anything different from them? I've said before we need to get our own house in order before we expect to get votes from people who didn't vote for us in the past. Being the adults in the room would go along way toward that goal. The left, not standard Democrat, is trolling us trying to bring us down to their level where trust me they will beat us with experience. Resist the malware.

Hypocrisy. If you look in this thread, you’ll see it. Blow hards with opinions that aren’t based upon facts. For the last four years they’ve supported traitors. Now anyone who doesn’t give them their way is a “traitor”.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Hypocrisy. If you look in this thread, you’ll see it. Anti-Trumpers will do anything to protect what they want.

And will do so in the name of equality and justice.

Because no one will stop them.

$.02 worth,
Boss

Great. So we can add traitors and hypocrites to the list. Is anyone interested in de-escalation? Anyone interested in proving you're not of the preconceived narrative? You're not a part of the tribe group think? Anyone interested in a new approach? That's what its going to take to win in the future? Or are you going to just fuck off and continue with what doesn't work so you can maintain your purity of thought and vision of the unattainable. Oh, we're so superior because we're part of the right leaning tribe. Every other thought process is bad (add the list provided before) Great. Anyone interested about discussion how the Republican party can do better? Anyone? Bueller?

Get a grip goose5. You sound like mitt Romney and Paul Ryan!

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Originally posted by goose5:
Great. So we can add traitors and hypocrites to the list. Is anyone interested in de-escalation? Anyone interested in proving you're not of the preconceived narrative? You're not a part of the tribe group think? Anyone interested in a new approach? That's what its going to take to win in the future? Or are you going to just fuck off and continue with what doesn't work so you can maintain your purity of thought and vision of the unattainable. Oh, we're so superior because we're part of the right leaning tribe. Every other thought process is bad (add the list provided before) Great. Anyone interested about discussion how the Republican party can do better? Anyone? Bueller?

De-escalation?

Lol. No. You're nuts if you think any rational mind can find common ground with the left.

They started it. They can try to finish it.

See you on the field.

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Originally posted by goose5:
Is anyone interested in de-escalation?

You mean surrender. Because we've tried de-escalation, reason and accommodation since at least the 1960's, many would say since 1900 when the "progressive era" began. The left has made incremental gains while the most we have ever accomplished is holding the line for a little while.

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Anyone interested in proving you're not of the preconceived narrative? You're not a part of the tribe group think? Anyone interested in a new approach? That's what its going to take to win in the future?

The "preconceived narrative" is the uni-party.
Trump represents a new approach. He fights.

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Or are you going to just fuck off and continue with what doesn't work so you can maintain your purity of thought and vision of the unattainable.

Is winning, without rigging the election "unattainable"? So we should just accept our losses and continue to give ground to the left while maintaining niceties and decorum?

Perhaps we should try a thought experiment...
Perhaps the title of this thread should be "Why don't Republicans cheat too?"

And... there you have it. I have changed the title. We can have a new discussion:
"Why don't Republicans cheat?"

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Originally posted by goose5:
Great. So we can add traitors and hypocrites to the list. Is anyone interested in de-escalation? Anyone interested in proving you're not of the preconceived narrative? You're not a part of the tribe group think? Anyone interested in a new approach? That's what its going to take to win in the future? Or are you going to just fuck off and continue with what doesn't work so you can maintain your purity of thought and vision of the unattainable. Oh, we're so superior because we're part of the right leaning tribe. Every other thought process is bad (add the list provided before) Great. Anyone interested about discussion how the Republican party can do better? Anyone? Bueller?

First - awesome to get a Letterkenny AND a Ferris Bueller reference in the same post.

Second - I agree that the whole system is failing. We can not ever hope to get anywhere with the Us vs Them mentality that plays out. People can spin up in the echo chamber of their choice surrounded by like minded folks that keep saying how right we are and wrong they are and nothing will get fixed. The left outlets will not see that the years of liberal tactics lead to Trump, and the right ones refuses to see how caustic and unsustainable the current regime is to most people, who as it has been posted here, just want to go about their lives. The people running for office are in my opinion ( feel free to scorch me on this) not interested in anything but power and staying in it, and so again whip up the us vs them rhetoric , and the win at any cost playbook. Both sides, if you are honest. I do not know the answer, but I am sick of this whole mess. I have friends that run from the Left to the Right, and value them all. Way more unites us than divides us but we need to be able to have a civil discourse on these topics, and based on the comments seen here, I have no idea if that will ever happen

Wait, you mean republicans don't cheat? Never have? Pure as the driven snow?

This supports what I have come to believe regarding our increased use of, and essentially forced exposure to, social media. It seems we each get our own customized news feed every day reinforcing any bias we start out with. Making us more sure of our righteousness; everyone else is stupid at best, evil at worst. I recognize that the MSM and public education system have gone far left, but is that new? Smart phone zombies however, have only been around for a little more than a decade. I bet if we could graph the rise in social media and the polarization of politics we'd see some evidence for my hypothesis.

Remember folks, you can rationalize anything if you want to badly enough.

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The problem conservatives face is that the moral decay of the nation is trending inevitably in the favor of the progressive agenda. Higher taxes, more regulation, gov't handouts, and all the other trappings of socialism are attractive to an ever increasing percentage of the population. Self-sufficiency and pride in the sense of freedom and individuality that made America great and a beacon of hope for generations are increasingly seen as quaint, obsolete artifacts of the past to many younger people and cultural elites. These trends will not be reversed easily or through friendly conversations.

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Originally posted by apprentice:
Wait, you mean republicans don't cheat? Never have? Pure as the driven snow?

Thank you for putting this so succinctly.

I suspect a better title would be “Why do [several expletives omitted due to Para’s rule about language in thread titles] politicians cheat?

President Donald J Trump may have run as a Republican, but he is not a modern day Republican. He is not a politician, he is a leader, and politicians from neither side of the aisle welcome his presidency.

If we were to get a Republican in 2024, we’d get another “Downshift one gear, but keep on driving the car right off the cliff, just like the Democrats, only slower.” politician.

What we need is another leader. I’m not sure how we arrange that. The forces of education, Lame Stream Media, social media, etc are certainly not aligned to favor that result. Totally leaving aside the question of whether the GDC machine will lie, cheat, and steal to make a fair election impossible in the future, it would be one heck of a hill to climb.

Candidate Trump had tremendous name recognition and deep pockets, not to mention a non-insignificant amount of expertise in managing people and getting things done. Not sure where we find someone else who believes in freedom and limited government who has half the advantages that Candidate Trump did.

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
The problem conservatives face is that the moral decay of the nation is trending inevitably in the favor of the progressive agenda. Higher taxes, more regulation, gov't handouts, and all the other trappings of socialism are attractive to an ever increasing percentage of the population. Self-sufficiency and pride in the sense of freedom and individuality that made America great and a beacon of hope for generations are increasingly seen as quaint, obsolete artifacts of the past to many younger people and cultural elites. These trends will not be reversed easily or through friendly conversations.

I think you explain it quite well.

In my view, the liberals (aka democrats-socialists) seek power for themselves under the guise of serving the people - equality and justice. But socialism always splits society into two classes - the ruling class and the working (oppressed) class.

As to compromising principles to promote peace and unity, how did that work out for Neville Chamberlain in dealing with Hitler??

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Why don't Republicans cheat?

Probably because they expect that they shouldn't have to, given the opposition.

Well that, and the fact they're so out of practice they'd get caught, every time.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
Why does the sun go on shining?

Why do the seas rush to shore?

Skeeter Davis.

The OP’s pasted article by Matthew J. Chellis (is that you, chellim1?) attributes Peter Navarro. That’s where I stopped reading. Mr. Navarro has admitted to inventing a source and quoting it in his books. He quoted himself! While in the Trump administration, he admitted to circulating a memo under a false name. In 1996, he was endorsed by HRC and spoke at the Democratic convention. He supported Hillary in 2008. He was a registered Democrat as late as 2016. But enough about Navarro.

The OP’s article is but one of thousands that seek to further divide America. The ultra-conservative camp drives away conservative Republicans who do not pass THEIR litmus test and hurl vile accusations at moderate Democrats. We CANNOT continue to shun and ridicule over half the population of the USA and remain a viable national party. This is deplorable conduct: we are showing that Hillary was right.

I am a long-time registered Republican from Mississippi and choose to live in one of the most conservative regions of the USA. I proudly voted for Trump twice. But I do not ascribe to the hate-filled rhetoric that some here spew.

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Originally posted by wildheartedson0105:...
(I want to punch the next hippie that says "I feel like...")

And reply: "and my hand feels like hippie face."

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The OP’s article is but one of thousands that seek to further divide America. The ultra-conservative camp drives away conservative Republicans who do not pass THEIR litmus test and hurl vile accusations at moderate Democrats.

I'm sorry to hear that you feel this way. Yes, I wrote the article.
I too have friends and neighbors who are moderate Democrats. However, without free and fair elections we cannot settle our differences peaceably at the ballot box.

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Originally posted by goose5:
I'm coming to the conclusion its not left/right, Democrat/Republican, red/blue anymore. The conflict is about ruling class vs. subject class..

Certainly.

Always and forever.

To think it's Left Right is to be distracted, and exactly what said Ruling Class wants.

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Originally posted by apprentice:
Wait, you mean republicans don't cheat? Never have? Pure as the driven snow?

This supports what I have come to believe regarding our increased use of, and essentially forced exposure to, social media. It seems we each get our own customized news feed every day reinforcing any bias we start out with. Making us more sure of our righteousness; everyone else is stupid at best, evil at worst. I recognize that the MSM and public education system have gone far left, but is that new? Smart phone zombies however, have only been around for a little more than a decade. I bet if we could graph the rise in social media and the polarization of politics we'd see some evidence for my hypothesis.

Remember folks, you can rationalize anything if you want to badly enough.

Thanks... it still amazes me that someone let along a lot of folks here seem to believe that half the population is evil, immoral & corrupt.... I think in my 63 years on this planet I've met about 3 people that would fall into that category....