I kinda have similar feelings about going back to the moon. It doesn’t seem we got a lot from that the first time. Fly by wire might be the biggest tech take away.

If we go to the moon before going to Mars, there will be much experience and practical knowledge gained by doing so, which would then aid us in the next real step, which is to walk on another planet.

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Originally posted by .38supersig:
Thought a tachyonic particle did this already?

Tachyons are still hypothetical particles.

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
I kinda have similar feelings about going back to the moon. It doesn’t seem we got a lot from that the first time. Fly by wire might be the biggest tech take away.

And Bluetooth essentially.

And even more than that:

https://www.theceomagazine.com...-moon-landing-items/

12 inventions we wouldn’t have without space exploration

Camera phones
In the 1990s, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) created a camera small enough to fit on a spacecraft while maintaining scientific quality, and today one-third of all cameras use this technology.

CAT scans
Developed from a need for high-quality digital images, the JPL invented technology that in turn created CAT scanners and radiography.

LED lights
LED technology used by NASA has contributed to the development of medical devices such as WARP 10.

Athletic shoes
A former NASA engineer first pitched the idea of lightweight runners – meaning Nike Air sneakers wouldn’t exist without the aeronautics agency.

Camera phones
In the 1990s, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) created a camera small enough to fit on a spacecraft while maintaining scientific quality, and today one-third of all cameras use this technology.

CAT scans
Developed from a need for high-quality digital images, the JPL invented technology that in turn created CAT scanners and radiography.

LED lights
LED technology used by NASA has contributed to the development of medical devices such as WARP 10.

Athletic shoes
A former NASA engineer first pitched the idea of lightweight runners – meaning Nike Air sneakers wouldn’t exist without the aeronautics agency.

Water purifiers
Now widely used to kill bacteria in recreational pools, electrolytic silver iodizer was developed by NASA to purify astronauts’ drinking water.

Dustbusters
What was first created as a way to collect samples on the lunar surface turned into the popular cordless miniature vacuum cleaner in 1979.

The Jaws of Life
Used to free people trapped in car accidents, the Jaws of Life is a smaller version of the machinery used to separate devices on the Space Shuttle.

Wireless headsets
NASA created the communication device to allow astronauts to be hands-free without wires.

Memory foam
A comfortable night’s sleep is all thanks to NASA which, in the 1970s, developed the memory foam mattress to make an airline pilot’s seat more comfortable.

Artificial limbs
Functionally dynamic artificial limbs are the result of the space agency’s exploration into shock-absorption materials paired with robotic and extravehicular activities.

Computer mouse
As a way to make computers more interactive, space technicians launched the mouse in the 1960s.

Laptops
The first portable computer was a product of space exploration. The hardware was later modified, new software was developed, and it was propelled to the commercial market.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
Never thought I'd see this happen.

You couldn't have done.

I'm reminded here of the greatest put-down image ever made, one that truly puts us in our little box and firmly shuts down the lid.

...and then nails it.

Look up 'Little blue dot'.

I don't know about the rest of the list, but this one just isn't accurate. The Hurst tool, which is the original 'jaw of life' was invented in 1961.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
The Jaws of Life
Used to free people trapped in car accidents, the Jaws of Life is a smaller version of the machinery used to separate devices on the Space Shuttle.

"So photons, which have no mass, can join together into waves of nothing which yanking each others’ photonic cranks pulls the waves, (not the photons!) of nothing faster than the speed of of photonic light, as expressed under certain conditions. See, it’s really simple.
"

sounds like a Bitcoin sales pitch

The significance of this is, there’s a group of researchers who will make extra money for the next couple of years doing lectures about their work. $$$$! Who knows, maybe there”s a Nobel Prize in it with a jackpot of money?

Some of this stuff can result in great advances down the road for mankind. That's not always clear until much later.
Lot's of this stuff is not going to result in anything other than burning lots of money and that part can be measured right now.
Sometimes (most times) hitting singles and doubles has a much greater practical result than swinging for the fences.

Good grief I hate these discussions. Lol. Without walking on the moon we wouldn’t have Velcro! Bullshit. If I threw a trillion dollars at any problem, say self driving cars that could also fly and communicate with AI technology, there would be all kinds of offshoot tech that didn’t work for that but could be used for this.

Going to the moon solved exactly ZERO human problems or issues. In fact you could argue it made them worse. Now we have much better rockets and missiles than we did before.

The current NASA goal to walk on the moon as a precursor to hiking on Mars. What practical reason is there for walking on Mars? Do you really think we will someday live there? Not like an astronaut compound but large scale practical life on Mars? If you do I think you are bonkers.

Huge waste of money.

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Originally posted by SgtGold:
I don't know about the rest of the list, but this one just isn't accurate. The Hurst tool, which is the original 'jaw of life' was invented in 1961.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
The Jaws of Life
Used to free people trapped in car accidents, the Jaws of Life is a smaller version of the machinery used to separate devices on the Space Shuttle.

Yup, some of those are a bit of a stretch, and yet the list does NOT include Velcro and Tang...

And that list right there is a complete bullshit rationalization written by the very people who pander for more money to do these very useless things.

It’s the height of ego for rocket scientists to say that anything on that list wouldn’t have been invented without boot prints on the moon. It’s like saying if the Wright brothers had died at birth we would still be walking everywhere. (not the perfect analogy but I need more coffee and you get the gist).

Even if I bought that list, whic I don’t, do you really think a couple Trillion dollars to invent athletic sneakers might be a bit of a waste? It also ignores that other industries discover things. Space exploration isn’t the mother of inventions. Pure ego.

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12 inventions we wouldn’t have without space exploration

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Computer mouse
As a way to make computers more interactive, space technicians launched the mouse in the 1960s.

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What the hell does this even mean? The invention and history of the computer mouse is well documented as is it's use and licensing to Xerox and Apple.

What does it mean that "space technicians launched the mouse in the 1960s" and how are they saying we wouldn't have the mouse without space exploration. Seems like a huge stretch of actual history.

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Do you really think we will someday live there? Not like an astronaut compound but large scale practical life on Mars? If you do I think you are bonkers.

Carpetbagger: Do you really think you can shoot all those men down before they shoot you? No, no, Mr. Josey Wales; there is such a thing in this country called justice!

Josey Wales: Well, Mr. Carpetbagger. We got somethin' in this territory called the Missouri boat ride.

While I love Josey Wales, I guess I’m a bit thick today because your quote and this topic make zero sense to me.

I am ten bears.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
While I love Josey Wales, I guess I’m a bit thick today because your quote and this topic make zero sense to me.

I am ten bears.

No, you are not a bit thick. I forgot the smiley face - everytime I see the expression, "Do you really think that...", I immediately think of the Carpetbagger. (It is not my fault that many of my posts are illogical. I am a great fan of Sigmonkey and my brain has been scrambled from reading his posts over the years!)

To seriously answer your post, I do believe that, assuming mankind doesn't destroy themselves in the near future, we will someday have some sort of settlement on Mars. We will obviously have the means to get them there and those brave souls who skydive and rock-climb and other various thrill-seekers will volunteer to be rocketed off to a place from which they will likely never return.

That may not happen for three or four hundred years, which will eliminate me from going. However, given that I prefer to be one of those who lived doing what I love, I suspect I will never be one who dies while doing what I love.

The title of the story is misleading to say the least. Neither matter nor photons exceeded the speed of light, just the phase shifting of a group of particles. That is information traveling faster than light, and quantum entangled particles have demonstrated that information could do that years ago. So you could transmit information faster than light, but it would be difficult and of limited value until you need3d to do so. What info traveling faster than light does is piss off scientists who have a theory that info is energy and energy can’t travel faster than light. Guess what, info not being able to go FTL is just a theory. So is nothing being physically able to go FTL. We might not be able to perceive something going FTL, just like you can’t hear something going supersonic until the trailing shockwave hits you and you hear that.

The space program did create a lot of tech we wouldn’t have had as soon without it. Computer chips is probably the biggest that comes to mind. But the space programs wouldn’t have been as advanced without WWII and the Cold War either.

As far as so called Dark Matter and Dark Energy, they are just fudge factors scientists came up with so their observations matched their equations. Another theory that got dismissed by the consensus was maybe gravity isn’t as constant as we think everywhere. The beauty of that theory is no fudge factors and tiny corrections to the equations. The real problem is it attacks the fundamental assumption of modern science that the laws of physics are exactly the same everywhere.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Good grief I hate these discussions. Lol. Without walking on the moon we wouldn’t have Velcro! Bullshit. If I threw a trillion dollars at any problem, say self driving cars that could also fly and communicate with AI technology, there would be all kinds of offshoot tech that didn’t work for that but could be used for this.

Going to the moon solved exactly ZERO human problems or issues. In fact you could argue it made them worse. Now we have much better rockets and missiles than we did before.

The current NASA goal to walk on the moon as a precursor to hiking on Mars. What practical reason is there for walking on Mars? Do you really think we will someday live there? Not like an astronaut compound but large scale practical life on Mars? If you do I think you are bonkers.

Huge waste of money.

The fact of the matter is that they did spend the money, and they did go to space, and that there were several technologies that were developed in the process that had applications elsewhere.

Yes, if they dumped a ton of money into any problem they could solve it. That's what they did, and in the process of "eating the elephant" of space travel they developed technology that can be spun off to other commercial uses, like Velcro. This happens all the time, in just about every industry. Space flight is just one of the most famous examples.