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Link Former passenger on Titan submersible says you have to sign a waiver that mentions death 3 times on the first page: 'So it's never far from your mind' A former passenger on the submersible that lost contact with the surface Sunday during a trip to the wreckage of the Titanic said the waiver he signed before his own trip mentioned death three times on its first page alone. "You sign a massive waiver that lists one way after another that you could die on the trip," Mike Reiss told the BBC. "They mention death three times on page one, so it's never far from your mind." Reiss took a trip on OceanGate Expeditions' Titan submersible in 2022 and said Tuesday: "As I was getting onto the sub, that was my thought: 'Well, this could be the end.' "So nobody who's in this situation was caught off guard. You all know what you are getting into." Reiss is a writer and producer in New York and has worked on "The Simpsons," the BBC reported. He told the BBC: "It is really exploration. It is not a vacation. It's not thrill seeking. It's not skydiving. These are explorers and travelers who want to see something." Reiss told the BBC that he had done three dives with the company — one to the Titanic and two off the coast of New York — and that communications were lost every time. "This is not to say this is a shoddy ship or anything: It's just, this is all new technology, and they're learning it as they go along," he said. "You have to just remember the early days of the space program." The US Coast Guard said the submersible lost contact an hour and 45 minutes into its dive Sunday and had five people on board. A search is underway, but experts say that it will likely be complex because it's not clear where the submersible is. The US Coast Guard said Monday afternoon that it had about 70 to 96 hours of oxygen left, which means oxygen will likely run out by Thursday afternoon ET. The Titanic is about 13,000 feet below sea level — which is thousands of feet deeper than the point at which any undersea rescue has ever taken place. Reiss told the BBC: "If it's down at the bottom, I don't know how anyone's going to be able to access it, much less bring it back up." | |||
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Too bad they don't have their 4000m ROVs on-board. Would've been ideal to put a 150hp to 250 hp robot with 30 hydraulic attachments down there. I've worked on offshore intervention vessels in deepwater and those ROVs can perform a lot of tasks such as connecting a crane hook to something on the seabed. Besides the tooling, they have cameras with amazing resolution and being in the ROV shack was like watching National Geographic on television. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Looks like OceanGate, the company that operates these tours of the Titanic, was the target of employee complaints over safety.
Interesting article. https://newrepublic.com/post/1...ely-travel-oceangate "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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"We made it. Now, I have good news and bad news...." Reminds me of something that my relief for crew change said to me once on crew change morning: "I have good news, my flight took off on time." "Ah, great." "Yeah, unfortunately I'm not on it." ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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It might be able to provide useful video while at 3000 meters. I doubt that it could do anything but provide video even at Titanic depth. Serious about crackers | |||
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A pipe laying vessel? Are we talking about cruise ships again? | |||
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I don’t know. It’s a vessel used for laying undersea pipe very deep in the ocean. It wouldn’t be surprising if their ROVs had manipulator arms for doing underwater pipe stuff. Also wouldn’t be surprising if they had a heavy lift crane on board the ship. Assuming the Titan was found intact on the bottom, the only realistic hope would be for a ROV or other sub to attach a cable so it could be hauled up to the surface. | |||
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Water at that depth is ink black. I’d wager they can’t see anything another 1000 meters down. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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Haha ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Reading the link I posted above, some interesting points:
"I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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^^^ Well… if the viewport failed, it’s a safe bet they died quickly. A better death than the prospective one of running out of air. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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Here is a screenshot of a working class 250 hp ROV developed by TechnipFMC's subsidiary that I linked earlier:  The cameras are great, but the working class ROVs are high flow rate, high pressure hydraulic pumps (e.g. the one in the photo is 50 gpm at 5000 psi). They're using the hydrualics for the arms and the vectored thrusting, but they also have "power beyond" where tools are connected into the ROV's hydraulics. The ROV operator has full view from the cameras, and has full control of the arms, thrust, and tools. For example, 14 years ago I was on offshore in deep water on an intervention vessel for 5 weeks (I spent many hours a day in the ROV shack) and we needed to perform 2 very different lifts: We were working at 1500m and couldn't see shit. The ROV's lights are high intensity and we had some area lights sets up, but we were seeing maybe 50m. The two working class ROVs were 3000m rated. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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I was involved with one of the USA's largest research submersible programs for about 15 years, and as the captain responsible for launch, tracking and recovery for approximately 10. I have only done 2 dives past 1000 meters, (my wife has more, and deeper as a research geologist) but I have run surface support for literally thousands of dives. These millionaire/billionaires could have paid me $100k to tell them no fucking way am I or anyone I care about ever getting inside this piece of "unconventional" and "visionary" garbage. In the 1990's we were using underwater acoustic comms systems with the capability of voice comms to the surface in real time (at similar ranges). We also had 2 backups to that system. We also had a max operational depth retrieval system in addition to manual and automatic ballast dump systems. This is pure irresponsible cowboy Seattle startup bullshit. The news articles are doing a terrible job at explaining any of this (what else is new?) but from what I have been able to piece together this sub had no redundant systems and no rescue/retrievalcapability, not even a plan of any kind. What a bunch of fucktards. MOO means NO! Be the comet! | |||
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Thank you for this. I need to save this for one of my friends that always goes on these things, and who always tries to talk me into going. I’ve said no for 20 years. No fucking thanks. I don’t party (only a couple times a year these days if that) and I eat extremely clean so the “cruising” thing, well not even if it were free. I know a few people that go, and honestly it’s to get the wristband and shovel as much shit down their throats as possible for the week. Many conversations from these people about being on the porcelain throne all week and they refer to it like it’s a trophy, gorging on food all week. Oh and getting hammered and sleeping the entire day, to sleep it off, in their cabin. Different strokes for different folks. When I can actually get a vacation done, I’m trying to get away from people, not be trapped with a bunch of them. I can easily recall the covid cruises, and the hell that went on. And I recall other cruises where the sewage system had a problem. A fire? To quote Hudson “you can count me out”. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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They wouldn’t’ve brought Deep Energy to the site unless they thought it would serve some purpose. And I don’t think that purpose could be anything but video if the subs it has on board can’t go below 3000 meters. Serious about crackers | |||
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On it's face: That seems pretty damning. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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so lets say they are still alive, sub is just bobbing along at whatever depth, (and even if it surfaced, they are still bolted in it) O2 to last to Thursday (I Think that is what someone posted) no food, no water? no facilities? in an area the size of a mini van, that may or may not have lights working internally, what a nightmare https://chandlersfirearms.com/chesterfield-armament/ | |||
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I agree they came for a purpose but the fact remains that water at that depth is basically free of light beyond @3000 feet, except with very sensitive instruments. Perhaps they are trying to cobble together a pressure resistant camera system to dangle the roughly 1/2 a mile of water to simply trawl to say they tried. Maybe the submersible is at the titanic site; maybe not. It is a potentially huge area to cover if didn’t land on target. Unfortunately, the next time we see this thing might be when James Cameron does his next documentary looking for it. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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The vessel was enroute between Norway and the Gulf of Mexico. For that type of vessel, it's very fast at 19 knots and was able to be on station in a half day. As a reference, the vessel I was on only cruised at 13 knots. I Googled a bit but couldn't find out if the vessel had sonar capability to scan for the sub. The vessel's normal job is satellite navigation based and using its DP3 class dynamic positioning system to stay exactly where it wants when lifting or doing ROV work. DP3 also helps it lay pipe where the designer wants it. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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