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Interesting questions regarding how civilians can respond to encounters with terrorist groups…if we caught Al-Qaeda or ISIS cells placing IEDs along travel routes (roads, bridges, sidewalks, etc) can civilians directly engage in order to stop the threat to life or merely call 911 to report it? Would the same response apply to responding to Antifa members?


Just like any other self-defense situation. If you reasonably believe you or those around you are in imminent danger of grave bodily harm or death, you can take protective steps to include use of deadly force.

Now if I saw someone with an obvious IED, I would put distance between me and him, not rush in to engage. If I saw multiple heavily armed people who obviously were not law enforcement, I would only engage if I or my family were in immediate danger. That is, my odds are poor against several armed men, who probably have long guns and are wearing body armor, compared to my handgun. I'm not running into the store they just went into, or whatever location they are approaching.

But it would be within my legal right in this state to engage using lethal force if I reasonably believed they were committing or attempting to commit a "forcible felony" as defined in state law. (In fact, the letter of the law specifically also authorizes lethal force when someone is fleeing from their commission of a forcible felony. That one could be legally tricky depending on the situation).
 
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In Indiana arson is a forcible felony, meaning deadly force can be used to stop it.

Anyone holding a molotov cocktail is a deadly threat. I would say shooting commercial grade fireworks at ground targets is also arson and thus a deadly threat.
 
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Shell and mortar fireworks are by legal definition a deadly weapon when purposefully aimed at a person.




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They had me rolling haha. They walk right into everytime.


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Just like any other self-defense situation. If you reasonably believe you or those around you are in imminent danger of grave bodily harm or death, you can take protective steps to include use of deadly force.

Here, behind enemy lines, this is not true.



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Excellent. Now lets see some Mexican Cartels go kinetic too!


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LMAO, he's the best Cool

She didn't really ask a question, she took the role of apologist attempting to defend Antifa from being classified as a terrorist organization.

Is NPR too stupid to realize how transparent they are, or are they too arrogant to care? It is such a line between the two.



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H1-B program now requires $100K a year fee. Didn't see another thread on this, could be it's own thread but here is OK for now.

This is profound and I didn't expect it to happen yesterday.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fac...onimmigrant-workers/

As of Sunday, H1-B visa holders will have to remit $100K fee or will be denied entry. This will definitely force companies to hire Americans first and immigrants only if they are truly highly skilled and no other options are available.

If you are a research PhD, the fee is not that huge a deal. But entry level workers will no be cost effective.
 
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While it's good to make US companies hire more Americans, it's not right to deny entry to H1 holders who came here legally and left temporarily, while still in status, likely with family back in the US, believing they'd have no problem returning. There needs to be some warning and lead time here.

I used to work for an Indian company that is probably exhibit A for why this measure is needed. But their H1 holders have families settled in the US and did nothing wrong. Go after the employers. Denying entry to the H1 holder is just going to make their dependents still in the US more vulnerable to unscrupulous employers.


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Denying entry to the H1 holder is just going to make their dependents still in the US more vulnerable to unscrupulous employers.
How 'bout using some of that $100,000 to pay for repatriation of the dependents? Send them back home.



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Does anyone here know what the costs for H1B's was before?
 
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$5,000 one time is what I read.


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Interesting questions regarding how civilians can respond to encounters with terrorist groups…if we caught Al-Qaeda or ISIS cells placing IEDs along travel routes (roads, bridges, sidewalks, etc) can civilians directly engage in order to stop the threat to life or merely call 911 to report it?

Although that’s a very unlikely scenario, if we believe that we might find ourselves in such a situation and believe we might have a duty to do anything other than report it, it would behoove us to know more than what we’d get from a social media response.

The first question of course is how would know that what we suspect is happening (implantation of an IED) is what’s happening in fact. In places like Iraq or Afghanistan it’s sometimes easy: a sniper will have little difficulty justifying shooting a couple of guys who are burying an artillery shell in the middle of a road. Artillery shells, however, are not readily available in this country, so what would be evidence that whatever we observe involves explosives, and regardless of how suspicious the activity might be otherwise?

Next would be what do we mean by “directly engage”? If it’s to immediately open up with our truck AR, see the above as the first consideration. If it’s something less drastic such as, “What’s up, guys?” that would involve fewer legal issues, but might not be most prudent. Even if we knew for certain that an IED was being placed, what would be our legal justification for using deadly force to stop it? Self-defense or justified defense of others might be valid, but that usually requires an immediate and valid threat to (a) specific victim(s). If I saw someone firing a gun into the air would I be justified in using deadly force to stop him? His act could endanger other people, but ….

Another possibility that we don’t hear much about these days is the concept of “citizen’s arrest,” which usually basically means that a not-law enforcement officer can nevertheless take action that’s equivalent to an LEO’s arresting someone: detention and use of appropriate force if necessary. In that case, directly engage could mean something like a confrontation at gunpoint and, “Stop what you’re doing and put your hands up,” which is something that we’d expect an LEO to do.

But a citizen’s arrest is fraught with issues as well. Although I believe that many (most?) states have provisions for such actions by non-LEOs, their specific provisions will vary among jurisdictions. For example, some might permit an arrest only for a felony being committed in one’s presence, but other statutes might be more lenient. Is force justified in a citizen’s arrest? If so, what level? Another difference might be the level of proof that justifies the arrest, and it might be more stringent for the “citizen” than a police officer; e.g., probable cause versus reasonable suspicion. All of those factors plus possibly others must be known and understood lest the citizen find himself in more legal trouble that the arrestee.




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I work for a major US computer manufacturer. I have watched time and time again, over and over, layoffs and replacements with H1B at lower costs.

They are losing their minds on Reddit over this, so it has to be a good thing for the country. It's a good thing for my job. And for those that start screaming "it'll just drive off-shore development!!!", I'll remind you that nothing stops offshore development right now.

Feel free to outsource your dev to India. You'll get shit code written by shit developers that'll work on a project for 7 months and then take another job. I've been doing this 30 years. I know what I'm talking about. You'll spend 50% of your time spinning up new teams or team members just to watch them walk across the street for a tiny raise. Quality sucks, support sucks. There is zero accountability and ownership when you off-shore.

Where I live in Texas is starting to look more like India than Texas. Go to any Costco on a Saturday and it's 10:1, not hyperbole.

Way past time to get this shit under control. This is what I voted for.


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yet ANOTHER strike on a vessel carrying narcoterrorists

Well that’s a shame…anyway, time go change the oil in my truck.


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I want the H1B visas to stop being issued, and current ones revoked. Texas will be Lone Star India before long.


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H1-B program now requires $100K a year fee.


Great, now can we start fining employers $100K per illegal hired? Not per instance, but per person. That would put a helluva dent in the amount of companies willing to gamble our country's safety for cheap labor.


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