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Originally posted by Austin228:

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Very Wierd. I had some dealings with the IRS CID guys in NY a number of years ago. They were all about going after drug money 9drug dealers aren't too kean on paying taxes). The ones I dealt with wouldn't know a 4473 if it bit them. I don't see what the IRS would do with 4473s unless they were trying to find assets/money.

Any chance this was a Task Force type of deal or was this actually an IRS show with ATF strap hangers?

I wonder if all were really armed, it could have been a few higher level IRS Revenue Officers or Revenue Agents (Tax Collectors and Auditors respectively for normal folk)-- Both of those are unarmed but tend to come with IRS CID for the civil side of tax enforcement/audits.

ATAT (abusive tax avoidance transactions) Revenue Officers can and do work jeopardy type cases in coordination with IRS CI 1811s, but would that be realistic for this scenario? This is a gun shop not a garage full of cars or a blue water yacht owned by internationally connected criminal enterprises. That doesn't really seem to fit the facts here.

It is also not common for IRS civil enforcement (and even less common for Revenue Agents) to get approval for an armed escort without compelling circumstances. That is unusual and just doesn't happen often in practice, even with ATAT GS-13 cases.

The facts are not all available, but this case looks different than the norm for IRS CI and ATF.

Honestly all it would take for a Revenue Officer and maybe just a GS-11 to be there or GS-12 would be a missing 940/941 or any taxes at all due on a small business.

All Revenue Officers handle businesses, government entities and otherwise, even as general program I handle name brands and top level government agencies, criminals, MMA fighters, everything up down and in between that could possibly owe taxes or a return.

As GS-11's we recently worked cartel cases so it wasn't ATAT involved at all.

I've had to have armed escorts before, its actually more common than you think.

I've been doing tax collection for the IRS for 16+ years though so I have first hand experience of being a Revenue Officer.

I work with GS-13 ATAT Officers, and as just a GS-11 Revenue Officer.......

Also cases where collection are in "jeopardy" could be as simple as a CSED is expiring and GS-11's like me work those all day long.


There are indicators for different levels of violent people.

If these indicators are on an account you need to get an escort and even "general program" RO's get those cases (like myself).

ATAT is actually pretty funny.....

3 of my best friends in the office are all GS-13 ATAT Revenue Officer.

They're saying about half of their cases they get aren't really ATAT to bump their production numbers up. (like pure delinquent returns for example)

Also most ATAT cases are frivolous filers, promoters of frivolous tax arguments, just really high balances, etc.

Case could be completely civil in nature and resolved that way as Revenue Officers are civil law enforcement (an ATAT case), we have powers(same with me) to make alter ego, nominee liens, seizures of cash/real estate/intangible/other assets to payoff any tax balance while also being able to assert TFRP.

In fact either side(ATAT or General Program) probably about the same amount of criminal stuff because I handle about twice as many cases as an ATAT RO.

(Strangely as you go higher up in Revenue Officer you get less and less cases)

As a regular "General Program" Revenue Officer, I've received cases of people who have threatened Federal/State/Local government employees, they then get certain indicators that warrant a armed escort.


I also work a lot of fraud case development where on the civil side I find out about and build the case until the Special Agents will(or won't) take it for possible criminal investigation.

I've only had two people threaten my life this year.

Now those two have a indicator of violence and then again you'd need an armed escort to go see them.

Usually, RO's try to get these kind of taxpayers into the office first with an appointment letter and then a summons.

Just finished Unintended Consequences as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Great read

Sounds like it's part of the Biden Admins Zero Tolerance program on Gun Store Compliance where they are going after stores and closing them with their first violation.

This one reeks of retaliation for the Gun Store filing suit against the ATF on Ghost Gun rules.

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ATF sued over firearm license policy
Story by Eden Villalovas • Yesterday 6:27 PM

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has been sued by a gun rights group over its regulation of firearm commerce.

Gun Owners of America (GOA) filed a suit with North Dakota gun store Morehouse Enterprises and Bridge City Ordnance against the ATF to push back against the agency’s federal firearms license inspection guidelines that can be used to shut down gun stores.

President Joe Biden's administration outlined a plan to combat gun violence in America, and it included a new policy from the Justice Department requiring the ATF to “revoke the licenses of dealers the first time that they violate federal law.”

In 2021, Biden’s administration outlined the ATF can revoke a firearm dealer's license if they willfully sell a firearm to a prohibited person, fail to do a background check, falsify records, don’t respond to an ATF tracing request, or refuse to allow ATF to conduct an inspection regarding the violation.

Last year, ATF issued a revised order, which established “zero tolerance” guidelines for stores that willfully violate the public’s safety and don't follow the implemented regulations for gun stores.

The lawsuit claims the "willfulness" as stated in ATF policy that is used to look into the revocation of an FFL is made by a computer algorithm as opposed to a person.

“In other words, willfulness is no longer found by an individual based on facts, circumstances, and the exercise of human judgment. Rather, it is presumed by computer software, based on nothing more than the category of record-keeping violations that are discovered and fed into the computer system," the lawsuit reads.

Morehouse Enterprises filed an initial lawsuit in 2022 challenging ATF's ghost gun rule intended to curb the production of firearms that are typically difficult to trace. Shortly after the suit, ATF investigated Morehouse’s gun store license and found multiple violations, according to the 2022 lawsuit.

A short time after that lawsuit was filed, BCO [Bridge City Ordnance] was the subject of an administrative compliance inspection conducted by ATF in February of 2023. That inspection was the first compliance inspection ever conducted by ATF with respect to either of the BCO licenses,” the new lawsuit reads.

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Just finished Unintended Consequences as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Great read

Yep, and we're gotting closer to the point that Claire Wolfe said we weren't at yet: “America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”

flashguy

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Originally posted by HRK:
Sounds like it's part of the Biden Admins Zero Tolerance program on Gun Store Compliance where they are going after stores and closing them with their first violation.

This one reeks of retaliation for the Gun Store filing suit against the ATF on Ghost Gun rules.
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Is there any federal law enforcement or intelligence agency within the Executive Branch that is NOT being used to attack opponents of the Biden Administration?

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Just finished Unintended Consequences as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Great read

Yep, and we're gotting closer to the point that Claire Wolfe said we weren't at yet: “America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”

flashguy

When it does happen, and I believe it’s inescapable now, it will come with extreme prejudice and righteous indignation.