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Idea's ,Ideal's and paradigm's change with population growth, science and social circumstances if the B.S.A. only ! adhered to the rules regs and guidelines between 1910 and 1920 , I am guessing there would be far fewer members. How bad can change be if you have a third more good, well meaning responsible young adults walking around? again , call them Charlie Popsicle goiter badgers, if you want, the name is no where near as important as the end result Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | |||
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So society's values are changing, thusly BSA should change their values, ie, follow the money. From many years of experience working with youth, I highly doubt there will be a one third increase of good, well meaning, responsibile young adults produced by this shift in values. I believe the opposite is more likely. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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Have Bendable and AirsoftGuy ever been seen at the same place at the same time? You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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^^^People like this is why we can't have nice things... | |||
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This has nothing to do with a name change. This is about selling out values for money such that the end result will not be the same as it was supposed to be. It is happening on many levels in this Country. | |||
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I wanted to proceed to Eagle. Because of the physical abuse that I suffered in my troop I left... turned out that I left prior to the sexual abuse began. There are a number of adults who were involved who are currently incarcerated. I joined another troop who were all tight as they'd been together since cub scouts and they had no interest in incorporating anyone else. Subsequent experiences with family members have found Scouts in this area to lack central organization or organizational support. I know it is what you make it to be, but both as a boy and subsequently I've had too many other demands and priorities to lift an entire troop myself. _________________________ NRA Endowment Member _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis | |||
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I think that needs a repeat. I think increasingly society is putting money and pleasure ahead of moral principles and values. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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Exactly. Were this an isolated event/policy change, most of us would sleepily note it and move on. But this is one of increasingly frequent moves toward one cultural perspective. Many of us saw our first red flag decades ago. Many more saw it with Stampy Feet. Still more it with various and sundry other events polka-dotting the landscape. We all board the train at different stops and few of us, once on, do not get back off. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Here a little and there a little the root grows, the pressure builds. And one day the whole thing blows up; or the foundation cracks and the whole thing collapses. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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"and great shall be the fall of it." | |||
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Townhall.com Robert Knight May 15, 2018 Mormon Exodus from Scouting Is Good for Boy’s It’s official. The Mormons have finally figured out that they can’t do business with the devil. Bully for them. More specifically, the Salt Lake City-based denomination is flipping off the demonic forces assigned by Beelzebub to wage war on God’s creation of male and female. That’s where the minions of Hell have been concentrating their firepower in recent years. It’s not for nothing that we’ve been told, over and over, that male-female differences are irrelevant and reality is entirely subjective. But, be of good cheer. Resistance to the cultural insanity is growing. Last Tuesday, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints announced a parting of the ways with what used to be the Boy Scouts of America. The Mormons have tried to look the other way since 2013, when the Scouts permitted gay members. But it just got worse. The Scouts’ century-old moral code, itself derived from Biblical morality, was pummeled from within and without. The coup de grace was ordered by liberal corporate donors and performed by quisling BSA board members. I bet none of them can tie a decent knot, but they sure can sabotage a great American institution. Well, as noted, the Mormons have had enough. Last year, the LDS pulled 185,000 boys aged 14 to 18 out of the Scouts. When the remaining 425,000 boys depart for Mormon youth organizations, it will represent a nearly 20 percent decline in Scout membership, which is now at 2.3 million and falling from a high of 4 million back in the 1960s. The Boy Scouts were never a genderless service organization like 4-H or other youth groups. Boy Scouts were taught to be strongly masculine gentlemen guided by timeless values, such as respecting girls and women instead of identifying with them. They molded millions of boys into modern-day knights, not just “persons.” Despite winning every single court challenge to their policies, the Boy Scouts had been doing a duck and hide. They abandoned public defense of their values and embraced only freedom of association, which any bone-headed group could claim. In May 2015, BSA National President Robert Gates said that keeping out openly gay leaders “cannot be sustained.” Sure, it could have. But that would have meant actually fighting the bullies. So, instead, the BSA National Executive Board voted to overturn the common-sense policy that had protected boys since 1910. For some reason, this craven stunt did not settle things down. Mr. Gates was not exactly new to this. He was the Secretary of Defense under Barack Obama who orchestrated the end of the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy against open homosexuality. He has since gone on to be chancellor at the College of William and Mary, which was chartered in Williamsburg, Virginia in 1693 and named after the British royal couple. As far as we know, neither William nor Mary ever got confused as to who was king and who was queen. But back to the Organization Formerly Known as the Boy Scouts of America. Following Mr. Gates’s lead, the Scouts announced on January 30, 2017, that girls who think they’re boys could enroll in previously boys-only programs. On May 2, they finally took “Boy” out of the Boy Scouts and changed the name to Scouts BSA. I wonder if the Girl Scouts, who are decidedly peeved at the brazen poaching of their potential recruits, will follow suit and excise “girl.” They kicked God out of their oath long ago and have welcomed transgenders, so why not? When the Boy Scouts began caving in 2013, Mormon leaders and some Protestants and Catholics tried to finesse it, extracting a promise that their troops could keep their own values. More and more people are finding out the hard way that there is no placating Leftist bullies who mean to remake America into a socialist version of Sodom and Gomorrah. That’s why some farsighted former Scout leaders founded Trail Life USA in 2013 to pick up the mantle. Now chartered in 48 states, Trail Life, while unabashedly Christian, welcomes all boys who abide by their standards. They work right alongside the American Heritage Girls, founded by former Girl Scout leaders for similar reasons. I’ve met with Trail Life’s leaders, and they are stand-up guys. As an Eagle Scout, I’d be proud to see boys in our family benefit from what Scouting used to offer and Trail Life USA still does. Link Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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I have said for a few years now that the demise of the Boy Scouts was inevitable based on it's desire to let the genderless crowd push it's agenda on them. It was going to happen with or without the Mormon's help. The Mormon's pull out seems right in step with the rest of the memberships recent pull out. And I am in full support of that. It is another travesty but until these organizations get a clue, they deserve to bite the dust. Good for Trails End. May they reap the rewards or helping raise up quality young men now. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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I wish Catholic affiliated BSA troops would do the same. Unfortunately, many Catholics also seem infected with the "progressive" virus. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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It is a zombie virus for sure... You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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I mean no malice in this observation to either oranization, but it looks to me as though Mormons are typically more devout in observing the tenets of their unique faith than Catholics, there being outliers in both, of course. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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No malice taken. The Catholic church is a divided house, just as the country is. Mormons are probably more united. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Where have I heard that philosophy expressed before? I know it was somewhere, but where...??? Oh, I have it! "Living Constitution" "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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I know the exception doesn't prove the rule, but I have encountered a lot more exceptions than I expected. Seems Leftism can infect anywhere it finds a soft head. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Which is why I used the term “typically” in my original comment, and “outliers.” Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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