It is my understanding that in NZ you do or at least did not have to register firearms...

"what semi-automatic rifles"

It appears some New Zealanders are not even waiting on a ban, but are turning in their semi-auto guns voluntarily for destruction, without being prompted! Say what?!? Dumbasses... they deserve what's coming to them if they're that stupid!!! One of them was even a rancher who said how useful his rifle was on the ranch, but that need did not outweigh the possibility of the weapon being misused. How the hell is it going to be misused?!? Oy...

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/...757a536fb02a530066a3

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It hasn’t even been a week since the deadly attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. However, it’s been busy since then.

Among the many happenings is that apparently, a number of New Zealand gun owners are turning in their guns. This comes well ahead of any official gun ban, but they’re turning in the firearms they lawfully own. I guess they think they’re “icky” now.

Since Friday’s deadly attack at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, gun owners have been turning up at local police stations seeking to have their own semiautomatic rifles—the weapon believed to have been used in the shootings—destroyed.

In the days since the attacks, which saw 50 people killed and dozens more injured, a number of gun owners in New Zealand have gone on social media to encourage others to follow in their footsteps. They want them to hand over their weapons and prevent another attack like Friday’s from happening again.

“Until today, I was one of the New Zealanders who owned a semiautomatic rifle,” one gun owner, farmer John Hart, wrote on Twitter. “On the farm they are a useful tool in some circumstances, but my convenience doesn’t outweigh the risk of misuse.

“We don’t need these in our country,” he added, sharing an image of a police form registering his weapon for “destruction.” “We have make sure it’s #NeverAgain.”

If you’re a law-abiding citizen, just how will it be misused?
Unless, of course, you’re a maniac in the making.

What is this? What is it really?

Mostly, it’s virtue signaling. It’s a gun owner who is aghast at what happened in Christchurch and needs to tell people that he’s right-thinking on guns now. So, he goes and turns in his firearms and tells the entire world.

Hart isn’t the only one. The article profiles yet another who did the same (though it doesn’t sound like tons are doing it).

But the question none of these people can answer is just how would their weapons, lawfully held by supposedly law-abiding citizens, represent a threat to anyone? The answer is that they don’t. They won’t. They’re inanimate objects with no will of their own. They’re machines. Devices meant to fire a projectile so that a target some distance away can be hit.

That’s all they are.

This isn’t the first time we’ve seen such blatant gun-blaming. This happened after Parkland last year. A number of people turned in guns, making a big show of their actions, and desperately trying to show everyone just how virtuous they were.

The problem is, this isn’t an act of moral superiority. It’s the act of a sheep.

I hold onto my guns because I know damn good and well that when seconds count, help is just minutes away. Hell, in Christchurch, it took 36 minutes for police to respond. How many people died in those 36 minutes?

I’m not blaming the police. They can only respond to an event after the fact. But that’s also the point.

These people giving up their guns think they’re oh-so-moral and virtuous, but what happens if they need a gun to defend themselves? What if they need it to protect another?

Back in high school, I visited the New Zealand embassy in Washington, D.C. During our visit, the person we were speaking with was only really familiar with sheep and cattle. I relayed this to my father who was more familiar with the country than me. He quipped, “That’s not her fault. That’s all there is in New Zealand.”

I didn’t know how right he was. Stuff like this proves it.

So if they are at an all time low murder rate by the use of ANY weapon, gun or otherwise, why hold the other HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of law abiding citizens responsible for the act of an individual raving lunatic? Maybe they need to outlaw motorized vehicles too and go back to riding barnyard animals because someone might get hurt in a motor vehicle accident or be used on purpose to hurt people. Misguided emotional response in search of a non-existent utopia on Earth of bubble wrap safety at the expense of rational thought, logic, and freedom. Let's see how the majority of gun owning New Zealanders react to this. While it seems the media is reporting that some are already turning in theirs voluntarily (maybe even orchestrated?), it is nothing more than an attempt by the liberals/media to guilt others which I don't think is going to be very effective. I bet the people in Venezuela wished they had some semi-automatic firearms right about now.

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Originally posted by dewhorse:
It is my understanding that in NZ you do or at least did not have to register firearms...

"what semi-automatic rifles"

from the article,

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Alpers noted that New Zealand, although it requires handgun registration, "is still the only country apart from the United States and to some degree Canada that doesn't have (firearm) registration as its third pillar of gun control" along with licensing and treating possession as a conditional privilege.

These NZ'ers sound like a bunch of "Brain Washed Stooges"......

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Originally posted by Dtech:
So if they are at an all time low murder rate by the use of ANY weapon, gun or otherwise, why hold the other HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of law abiding citizens responsible for the act of an individual raving lunatic? Maybe they need to outlaw motorized vehicles too and go back to riding barnyard animals because someone might get hurt in a motor vehicle accident or be used on purpose to hurt people. Misguided emotional response in search of a non-existent utopia on Earth of bubble wrap safety at the expense of rational thought, logic, and freedom. Let's see how the majority of gun owning New Zealanders react to this. While it seems the media is reporting that some are already turning in theirs voluntarily (maybe even orchestrated?), it is nothing more than an attempt by the liberals/media to guilt others which I don't think is going to be very effective. I bet the people in Venezuela wished they had some semi-automatic firearms right about now.

They've been indoctrinated into believing that guilt is somehow a collective attribute in their society, instead of individual responsibility and accountability. When you reach that point, it's easy for the "leaders" to direct the herd.

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Originally posted by pulicords:
They've been indoctrinated into believing that guilt is somehow a collective attribute in their society, instead of individual responsibility and accountability. When you reach that point, it's easy for the "leaders" to direct the herd.

Brilliant observation.
When we get to the point of "collective guilt" we remove individual responsibility. The same is true with "collective responsibility" ie. welfare, single-payer health care etc.

There is no such thing as forced charity. Anything done collectively is done by force.

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Originally posted by Cousin Vinnie:
These NZ'ers sound like a bunch of "Brain Washed Stooges"......

Remember who wrote the article.

Apparently, 37 guns have been turned in total.

That’s out of several hundred thousand+ in circulation.

Is anyone really turning in their guns or are they just actors playing for the cameras? I know which horse my money is on.

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
I hope the people of New Zealand fight her.

Leftist shit.

Ms. Ardern has shown herself to be a fascist, pushing through rushed, ill considered laws on the heels of a tragedy, essentially her own little Reichstag Fire, to strip civil rights from 4.8 million people, all because one lunatic went off the rails.

Fear a politician who is willing to exploit tragedy and emotion to remove civil rights.

Also fear a politician who will tell you to your face that although the legislature has passed a mechanism for a permit (the Class E license) not to bother applying for one because you won't get it. Standards and laws mean nothing. Emotion rules. Apparently, the good people of New Zealand don't need a legislature any more, as Ms. Ardern has it all covered and knows what's best.

Weep for a people who give up their civil and sovereign legislative rights without a fight.

They won't. There are something like 4 million New Zealanders, and they are almost all white and relatively well-to-do. This is what they want.

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Originally posted by SIGnified:
Time to take all the pointy tips off knives...

Next, they will go after sharp wit, and then a lot of us are in BIG trouble.

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It’s the act of a sheep.

We are, after all talking about New Zealand...
Jokes aside, there's been a small fraction of firearms turned-in so far, Having visited both major islands, to include Christchurch, the country is largely rural, the people have a hearty, make-do/can-do ethic, similar to the US's western ethic. I would like to think while all the headline claiming hot-air coming out of Auckland plays well with the press/big-media, the locals are a bit more divided on this.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I don't know how all freedom loving, gun owners no matter where you live cannot care about this. Though it shouldn't be surprising I suppose, I'm nonetheless appalled by what's happening in New Zealand. It bothers me quite a bit.

In 2004 I visited NZ and the home of an Internet friend (met online on assaultweb). He had 3 AR-10s. He said it was legal to own full-auto weapons in NZ but it was not legal to fire them. Huh?

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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The only way to end murder is to remove the human race from the planet. Short of that, nothing will stop humans from killing each other.

Yep. Cain killed Able with a rock.

And Samson killed a thousand men with the jawbone of an ass.

flashguy

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Originally posted by chellim1:
You don't even have to go back to biblical times.

Even today, more people are killed with Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) than with all types of rifles, including so-called "assault rifles".

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-t...micide-data-table-11

Yes, facts are important.

In 2017 there were 15,129 homicides.
2.6% were with "rifles", a category that includes but is not limited to "assault weapons"
3% were with blunt objects (hammers, bats)
4.6% were with personal weapons (hands, feet)
10.5% were with knives
46.5% were with handguns

For some perspective, there are estimated to be 200,000 deaths per year from medical malpractice.

Tell me again which of these is the biggest crisis?

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Originally posted by bronicabill:
“Until today, I was one of the New Zealanders who owned a semiautomatic rifle,” one gun owner, farmer John Hart, wrote on Twitter. “On the farm they are a useful tool in some circumstances, but my convenience doesn’t outweigh the risk of misuse.

“We don’t need these in our country,” he added, sharing an image of a police form registering his weapon for “destruction.” “We have make sure it’s #NeverAgain.”

Who is John Hart?
Peal back the John Hart-onion and reveal himself to be a Green party parliamentary candidate, sortof farmer and tech executive. Propaganda much with his Twitter virtue signal?

Mohammad Faqih, a member of the Islamic clergy, from California,

“Extremely grateful” for the gun ban.
“I wish our leaders in the States would follow in her footsteps and do the same thing especially given our history of mass shootings”. “something needs to happen and it’s a great example of our elected leaders.”

-The Japan News- (I’m currently in Nagoya)

Virginia Citizens Defense League is working hard to publicize a USA Today poll on agreement with the NZ decision.

Linky.

I lived in Australia for several years. Prior to the firearms ban, crime was lower, and saw a rise directly following the ban, particularly violent crimes.

When the NZ military was doing freefall training in the US, I closely worked with them, and flew them, and spent time after hours with them, and we had discussions about this, and I met them at a local firing range.

Public sentiment is running high in support right now, but in general it's not that way, and there's a lot of unrest running in the country right now; high prices, prejudices between north and south, and increased crime.

The upcoming ban in New Zealand will bite them in the ass.

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Originally posted by nojoy:
Mohammad Faqih, a member of the Islamic clergy, from California,

“Extremely grateful” for the gun ban.
“I wish our leaders in the States would follow in her footsteps and do the same thing especially given our history of mass shootings”. “something needs to happen and it’s a great example of our elected leaders.”

-The Japan News- (I’m currently in Nagoya)

Yeah... how about the mass shooting in CA committed by 2 members of your own kind? Wait, you probably were not thinking of that mass shooting when you offered the quote ...

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

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Originally posted by SIGnified:
Time to take all the pointy tips off knives...

Next, they will go after sharp wit, and then a lot of us are in BIG trouble.

I lost my sharp wit in a boating accident.