So you are asking the clerk to look at a document then make a judgement that an old guy and really old is that guy but they are incapable of making that judgement without the document > all for the purpose of age verification.
THAT really says a lot of the competency of that person doesn't it?

I don’t know how you got any of that from anything I wrote.

If it seems that complicated, then that’s why the rules are simple. The clerk knows the guy is of age. The clerk also knows they’ve been told “no ID, no sale.” How competent they have to be to deny the sale to a 90 year old guy because he doesn’t have his ID is already implied by the existence of this thread.

Store Policy is store policy, but I keep wondering...If he didn't have his wallet, how was he going to pay for it?

Like I said, I’m not calling anybody a liar. I also have been on this planet long enough to know that sometimes everybody thinks it’s a LAW or thinks it is this or that because that’s just how we always have done it. I’m a show me the actual law/regulation/policy so I am starting from a position of knowledge not he said she said.

It’s either a law or it’s a policy. Not the same thing. At all.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Grocery stores and beer? [in Tennessee]

Yes, and some can sell wine as well. Liquor (which I don't drink) has to be bought in a different kind of store. Again, depending on the county. Ironically, the county in which Jack Daniel's whiskey is produced (Moore) is "dry."

One thing I forgot about, at some stores in MA, grocery stores that sell beer and wine, they have to put a birthdate into their register when they scan it. They need ID from everyone. I get carded at the grocery all the time. I tend to not get carded at actual liquor stores.

We do have to consider the owner perspective. Sure, they can train their clerk to use proper judgment. Then the clerk sells to their underage friend and says "Oh he looked old enough". The penalties for selling to underage people can be hefty fines and loss of license right? Why would an owner want to risk that? Carding a 90 year old is stupid, but the risk to the seller has been removed completely.

Not to mention teens using make-up and face masks to look old enough have been reported.

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Originally posted by smschulz:

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Originally posted by OttoSig:
Why didn't he just go get his ID?

So simple isn't it?

It is, as is the process of buying alcohol. A process a 90 year old man should understand.

Don't like the rules, take ya ass to another store for your wine.

No disrespect to the father, but he ain’t special because of his age

It has nothing to do with being special. It has everything to do with silly policy that apparently is being treated as if it’s a fucking law. Which it isn’t. Or at least no one has yet specifically noted a state/county/city where it is actual law.

If it’s a policy, asking the manager for an exception for an elderly patron is what used to be taken for common fucking sense and decency to the elderly. Are you going to take the last seat on the bus and let him stand because well fuck him he should have gotten on sooner? Forget common sense how about some decency for the aged. Wtaf. You will be old someday too and when you forget your ID I hope someone treats you better than this thread would indicate.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
It has nothing to do with being special. It has everything to do with silly policy that apparently is being treated as if it’s a fucking law. Which it isn’t. Or at least no one has yet specifically noted a state/county/city where it is actual law.

If it’s a policy, asking the manager for an exception for an elderly patron is what used to be taken for common fucking sense and decency to the elderly. Are you going to take the last seat on the bus and let him stand because well fuck him he should have gotten on sooner? Forget common sense how about some decency for the aged. Wtaf. You will be old someday too and when you forget your ID I hope someone treats you better than this thread would indicate.

Your entire last paragraph would describe being treated as special.

Get mad if you want, dudes out a bottle of wine at the end of the day if he doesn’t like the “silly policy”. Pretty far stretch from taking an elderly persons seat and a rather stupid argument.

We ain’t talking about bus seats, we’re talking about a bottle of wine. How about, and this is gonna sound crazy, if BJs has such silly policies, shop elsewhere?

Why is it called BJs?

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Originally posted by frayedends:


Carding a 90 year old is stupid, but the risk to the seller has been removed completely.

The LAW says you can't sell to a minor . The POLICY minimizes the chances of that happening .Make the POLICY uniform and card everybody .Jesus Christ , people will argue about anything ..

Policies can get silly. But asking the person making minimum wage to consistently use common sense is a bit much.

Bullshit. Minimum wage doesn't mean you are retarded. At a minimum, make a policy where the minimum wage worker calls for a manager if they aren't sure what to do. I suspect a manager could make that really tough call on a 90 year old. fml

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Originally posted by OttoSig:


It is, as is the process of buying alcohol. A process a 90 year old man should understand.

Don't like the rules, take ya ass to another store for your wine.

No disrespect to the father, but he ain’t special because of his age

Yeah, that is exactly what it is - disrespect.

It isn't that you don't have to follow some silly horseshit rule it is that the silly horseshit rule actually exists.

If you do not like the store sales policies then just take you happy butt and money down the road to a store that you like. These stores are a private business and they can dictate their own policies. ..... drill sgt.

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Originally posted by drill sgt:
If you do not like the store sales policies then just take you happy butt and money down the road to a store that you like. These stores are a private business and they can dictate their own policies. ..... drill sgt.

Exactly.

You guys are fun.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
He is 90. Going back out to the car is quite a workout.

He doesn't have to go anywhere. Just hand his keys to someone and describe where car is for them to fetch it. Surely he can tell just by looking at them if they are trustworthy or not?

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Originally posted by smschulz:
So you are asking the clerk to look at a document then make a judgement that an old guy and really old is that guy but they are incapable of making that judgement without the document > all for the purpose of age verification.
THAT really says a lot of the competency of that person doesn't it?

In Arizona, which is conservative, if you buy alcohol from Fry's Supermarket you are asked your birthdate and they input it in their computer. I normally tell them December 7, 1941

In Hawaii, which is liberal, if you look over 21, they don't ask you a thing.

Go figure.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Why is it called BJs?

Because they you to kiss their ass. No sense to use a dirty response.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by ridewv:
There are simply cashiers with a lack of common sense at some of these places.

Yes, and that's why the owners put these blanket policies in place, no matter how ridiculous anyone here thinks they are. You're looking at it from one direction. Try looking at it from the other. To protect their investment from employees who lack common sense, they have made it stupid simple: No ID? No sale. Period.

Bingo.

I occasionally work overtime conducting alcohol and tobacco compliance checks with an underage person. I don't know how they work in every jurisdiction, but here, we're required to check every licensed business annually. Our underage person is searched before we go out and carries only cash and their real ID. They are not allowed to lie, sweet talk, beg, persuade, or do anything but ask for whatever regulated item. If the clerk asks their age or DOB, they provide it. If the clerk asks for their ID, they provide it. Despite that, the number of clerks that will override the register, enter a false DOB, scan their own DL when the underage person's doesn't work, etc. can be astonishing.

The most egregious one I recall was a clerk who refused the sale and told the underage person to come back with somebody old enough to buy it for them. She went right back in with me and the clerk told her that she had to leave while she did the sale because "they're doing stings" and then sold to me, for the underage helper. Couldn't believe it. Clerk had a warrant, too. Got cited for the sale, got arrested, had to call her boss to run the store. Boss came straight in, fired the clerk, took her keys, etc.

The human factor is hard to underestimate.