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Peripheral Visionary |
I'll take Houston traffic over Atlanta any day. Mon Dieu... | |||
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Casuistic Thinker and Daoist |
It is unbelievable that folks don't understand how zipper merging isn't the same as merging into traffic on a highway (from an on-ramp) Ideally cars wouldn't merge until the point that the two land become one. Up to that point cars would use both lanes to move as much traffic as possible. The expectation is that cars will leave at least a couple of car lengths between them and the car in front of them. At the point of the zipper merge, the merging cars would move into that space between cars already in the lane. There would be no slow down of the flow of traffic at all. This of course never happens because of folks "defending" their space and not wanting to let folks in...so they follow the car ahead too closely No, Daoism isn't a religion | |||
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Eating elephants one bite at a time |
The "my left turn signal is on for miles" and "I'm in the hammer lane and gonna exit right here right now and make my own opening your safety be damned" drivers took me a bit to get used to. I still don't understand the "there's a red light 1/4 mile away, I'd better start stopping now" or the pulling up 3~4 cars short at the stoplight so I can creep four times during the red light" drivers though. | |||
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There’s one good rule for Atlanta traffic. Every driver around you is about to do something stupid. Be ready for that. Which is why I wait a 2 count when the light turns green. A friend just had the front of his Tacoma rearranged because of a red light runner. -- I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. JALLEN 10/18/18 https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...610094844#7610094844 | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
A millisecond is a pretty short time interval. A microsecond is even shorter. However, the shortest time interval that has been discovered by laboratory scientists is a honkosecond. This is the interval between the traffic light turning green, and the NYC cab driver behind you, blowing his horn. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Philly drivers will not tolerate that stuff If you aren’t moving at .05 milliseconds after the light goes green, you WILL have someone laying on their horn at you. | |||
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paradox in a box |
I misunderstood. This makes sense. These go to eleven. | |||
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Do the next right thing |
The problem with merges is not either method. The problem is that lots of people using both methods are on the same road. | |||
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Yes. As we see here, everyone has a different style. Some didn’t pay attention back in Drivers Ed. I do admit the biggest cause of backups is jerks that block merging. Damn near everyone on the road is up and down in speed alternating between trying to block anyone else out that precious space or being in the way of folks behind them. Lots do it purposely others just get a subconscious reward. I call it petting their puppies. I don’t wait after lights change but I sure pay attention. Around here many lights have a 4-5 second red/red overlap. That’s a long time. It’s gotten so more people realize that and they feel safer running reds. “That’s what.” - She | |||
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The city of San Jose now delays the green light at least three seconds for cross traffic in the downtown area to make allowance for red light runners. | |||
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Savor the limelight |
There’s nothing in this thread that supports your contention above. There’s 15 people including LEO supporting the legal and right way, the zipper merge, and there’s you. If you really believe what you’ve posted, good luck; otherwise, well played troll move. | |||
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Do the next right thing |
There's an entire post about an entire state's policies.
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Still finding my way |
I think people should be physically reprimanded for being rude or dangerous but since our gentle, feminine society has made if not worth the legal troubles I just keep my distance from everyone and think of it as entertainment. | |||
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If you want to race down to end of the lane and expect those who have already merge over to let you in, knock yourself out. You get to wait because everyone else is already on that little bit of road you think belongs to you. I see this everyday close to home. Some knob racing passed open spots to crowd there ignorant self centered ass into a space that doesn’t exist. “That’s what.” - She | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Good Lord Another one that cannot grasp the simple concept of zipper merging "because everyone else is already on that little bit of road" They don't have to do that! Use up every bit of road, BOTH LANES, until you cannot. I just don't get it | |||
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Again. Tell me how it helps to have zipper teeth about ready to “merge” into the other side but instead a few teeth race down and expect the already zipped teeth to open up and let them in. If someone in the ending lane is out front, or nearing it, that means it’s time to being merging over like a zipper. Don’t pass everyone and race to the end. “That’s what.” - She | |||
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thin skin can't win |
Every time I see one of these debates and theories on zipper vs line up, it think it really hinges on what's happening with the actual flow of traffic. While traffic is actually still flowing up to, through and beyond the merge sure zippering makes sense. Once the traffic up to, through and possibly beyond merge point has come to a complete stop for .1 to 2.0 miles, I don't understand how this actually helps with overall throughput of vehicles since they are already bumper to bumper. Do studies ever differentiate between these two actual scenarios? I don't think they do from what I've seen. You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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Savor the limelight |
Here’s a link to that state’s DOT: Link In it there is a nice picture that designates a point where people are not supposed to pass each other and a point where the lanes converge. It looks suspiciously like a zipper merge. Everyone takes a turn between the no passing point and the merge point. The only difference is the designated no passing point. With the zipper merge, it’s every other car at the merge point. With TN it’s still every other car, but it’s between the no passing point and the point where the cones converge. | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
In the last town I lived in, heading out of town towards our house was a section where the road narrowed from two lanes down to one. Most people, myself included the majority of the time, would move to the left lane as early as possible. Others would continue in the right lane that eventually ended, and merge in. More than a few times, some flaming fuckwit of a driver would straddle the divider to prevent people from doing so, a few times inciting road rage in a 30 mph zone in a residential area. I happened to observe one of those would-be mergers follow a lane blocker home, since it was on my way home. I'm not sure how it resolved, but it looked for all the world like the person who attempted to stop people from getting in front of them had someone parked behind them in their driveway at home, waiting for them to get out. I guess if you want to play games, sometimes someone else will ante up. I don't have a problem with people merging in front of me, most of the time. Unless they do it quickly and I have to brake quickly or collide, or if it's nine people in a row edging in right in front of me, and then at some point, it's my turn to go and not yours. But generally, I try to not do anything that could end in someone following me home or shots being fired. Just ain't worth it. I used to work on the assumption that most drivers in Washington were armed. Here, I just assume they actually all are, and it must be that they do also, as I've encountered far fewer aggressive nitwits on the roads here. An armed society really is a polite society. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
And that's how it's supposed to work Around here they put the "single lane ahead" signs up miles and miles back and people get over WAAAAY too early into one lane that doesn't move which is the problem. Meanwhile you have like 1, 2, 3 miles of open lane they COULD be using. | |||
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