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Originally posted by BBMW:
I thought Southwest was non-union?

On the contrary, Southwest is one of the most heavily unionized airlines in the entire industry.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:

I used to get the highest tier frequent flyer status by May so I've:

seen drunk & disorderly get cut off

seen drunk & disorderly get tossed off the plane before the boarding door closes

Seen the same. And also seen people who should have been tossed off get on anyway. To the point I thought the flight was at risk. Same idiots tried to take 3-4X what is allowed as carry on. Lady at the counter let them get away with it too by removing all this shit from boxes, putting some in their luggage. It should have been hell no but there are always those that completely push it. They were completely out of control and AA was too skuuurred to tell them to pound sand. I know why, because these people would have claimed racism.

Getting smashed and flying don’t mix for me. You’re a lady or a gentleman who wants to have a couple glasses of wine, or a couple of drinks. Freedom, no problem. But I’ve seen far too many abuse the shit and get awfully rowdy to the point where you think they’ll need to be restrained. I’ve helped stewardesses before pointing out these idiots as we board and told them to keep an eye on them. We’re talking once underway staff is over there constantly like they were babysitting 3 year olds. Made me nervous as it was a water flight coming from the middle of the Pacific so we were going to be over water for hours. And FWIW they showed up smashed. They didn’t get smashed on the flight. Luckily for all us passengers staff refused to serve them any boos and both of these idiots ultimately passed the fuck out.

A flight is not a bar. You want to drink knock yourself out. But being loud, rowdy, on a commercial air flight is nothing I want to deal with. I can get smashed at the hotel.

^^^ In my case it might be a few drinks on a long flight. I'm not loud, rude, or otherwise a drunken asshole. I want to have a few drinks and maybe catch a nap. I want to be left alone.

They don’t want to serve alcohol for a couple reasons. One of them is that just like every other work group in America they have gotten used to getting paid for doing very little work. Adding job requirements for the same pay is a tough slog for any employer at this point.

One thing I agree with to a point is that mask mandates have amped up the tension on every flight. The flight attendants are mostly to blame here. You have a group of people who statistically tend to believe in the efficacy of masks and are terrified of COVID, then you sort of gave them blanket authority to police passengers. Many of whom aren’t in the prior thought group. Only recently have airlines started cracking down on flight attendants and their rigid policing of these rules. Airlines want them now to state a very vanilla mask statement and then drop it.

All of which is easier if the feds would just drop the mandate yesterday. The temperature on every flight will decrease immediately.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
They don’t want to serve alcohol for a couple reasons. One of them is that just like every other work group in America they have gotten used to getting paid for doing very little work. Adding job requirements for the same pay is a tough slog for any employer at this point.

One thing I agree with to a point is that mask mandates have amped up the tension on every flight. The flight attendants are mostly to blame here. You have a group of people who statistically tend to believe in the efficacy of masks and are terrified of COVID, then you sort of gave them blanket authority to police passengers. Many of whom aren’t in the prior thought group. Only recently have airlines started cracking down on flight attendants and their rigid policing of these rules. Airlines want them now to state a very vanilla mask statement and then drop it.

All of which is easier if the feds would just drop the mandate yesterday. The temperature on every flight will decrease immediately.

I agree. Giving airborne waiters/waitresses that kind of authority was a major mistake.

FWIW, I flew 6 times last year and the Attendants were extremely lax about masks. They came around every time my drink got down to around 1/4 full and asked if I wanted another. They were allowing anyone who had food or drink to keep their masks off.

Bottom line was that I had a mask on for around 1/4 of every flight and not more and that was also true of every other passenger in the airplane section I was in. Don't know about other sections though.

Isn't it sort of the nature of a union to oppose whatever management wants?

If you offered them a 10% pay raise, they'd oppose it because they want 20%.

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Originally posted by vinnybass:
^^^ In my case it might be a few drinks on a long flight. I'm not loud, rude, or otherwise a drunken asshole. I want to have a few drinks and maybe catch a nap. I want to be left alone.

That's me also.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
Isn't it sort of the nature of a union to oppose whatever management wants?

Not so for the VAST majority of ALPA representatives at my airline. They're fellating management better than Debbie. You know...of Dallas fame.

I won't fly in a mask, so it doesn't matter. I did it once, never again. F/S's have turned into Nazis. I don't need that shit.

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Originally posted by Fredward:

F/S . . . Nazis

Sky waitress?

Fine. Don't serve alcohol. Just make it an open bar, serve yourself...

What could go wrong?

It's a violation of federal regulation for a passenger to consume alcohol unless it has been served to him by the certificate holder (airline). It it is a violation of federal regulation to bring your own alcohol and consume it on board.

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§ 121.575 Alcoholic beverages.

(a) No person may drink any alcoholic beverage aboard an aircraft unless the certificate holder operating the aircraft has served that beverage to him.

(b) No certificate holder may serve any alcoholic beverage to any person aboard any of its aircraft who -

(1) Appears to be intoxicated;

(2) Is escorting a person or being escorted in accordance with 49 CFR 1544.221; or

(3) Has a deadly or dangerous weapon accessible to him while aboard the aircraft in accordance with 49 CFR 1544.219, 1544.221, or 1544.223.

(c) No certificate holder may allow any person to board any of its aircraft if that person appears to be intoxicated.

(d) Each certificate holder shall, within five days after the incident, report to the Administrator the refusal of any person to comply with paragraph (a) of this section, or of any disturbance caused by a person who appears to be intoxicated aboard any of its aircraft.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/t...rt-T/section-121.575

You going to school all of us on this topic AGAIN gup?

Not allowed to post on the topic, or just don't want to hear the truth?

My post isn't opinion.

Perhaps it's only appropriate if it's opinionated and part of the same chorus: give us the booze or we'll bring our own.

I didn't write the regulation. I did cite it, however, including a link. Read it for yourself.

I guess 121.575 does not apply to any going to or returning from Las Vegas. Been there 15 times and have yet to be on a flight were at least 1/3 of the passengers were not intoxicated.

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Originally posted by Sigfan Roy:

You going to school all of us on this topic AGAIN gup?

Maybe he's just mad because the driver doesn't get any booze.

Gup: I’ve been flying almost as long as you have. I also deadhead a lot. I am aware of the reg. You’ve schooled us on this topic twice now over that past year or so. What the hell do you care if somebody decides to sneak some booze onboard a SWA or other pax airliner? Your job is to fly that big cargo jet for whoever you fly for (guessing Atlas or Kalitta) and let the SWA FAs be the sky police in regard to masks and illicit alcohol.

Well with all these unruly passengers and snippy stewardesses, maybe hauling rubber dog shit from Hong Kong isn’t such a bad deal after all.

I got embarrassed on my most recent SWA flight. I wear hearing aids and couldn't hear the FA's announcement on how to order a beverage. I didn't realize that you had to point to a number on a chart because they didn't want you to lower your mask, you know because that results in deaths . I also didn't realize that there was no alcohol served. I've always ordered a red wine on their flights. When she got to me, I apparently broke two rules. Don't lower your mask and don't order alcohol. When I asked for a red wine she looked at me like I had two heads. I looked at my wife and she started laughing. I told the FA I didn't need anything, maybe better hearing.