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Originally posted by sooma:
Zero grudge against vets, clearly stated. The issue is vets think that is the only form of service to this country that should count, therefore have exemptions.

I don't think you know vets very well.

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Originally posted by sooma:

The issue is vets think that is the only form of service to this country that should count, therefore have exemptions.

So you're waving this huge wide brush wildly around all because you got butthurt by a couple comments in a random thread by a few individuals. Got it.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I served and don’t expect or receive anything for it. Telling me to put your fries in your bag, well my instant response to sooma is to tell you to go screw yourself.
(sarcasm emoji)

I don't know what you are going on about.

There are many ways to serve this country in times of war and under arms besides the Dept of War. State Dept (DSS), the Intelligence Services, Federal law enforcement (DEA has FAST as an example). Hell, both NYC and LAPD had international intelligence officers that worked in A-stan and Iraq.

Also, let's be clear, no one on this forum is giving away passes for the vets protesting in MN...those are the ones that need to "just put the fries in the bag"

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by sooma:

The issue is vets think that is the only form of service to this country that should count, therefore have exemptions.

So you're waving this huge wide brush wildly around all because you got butthurt by a couple comments in a random thread by a few individuals. Got it.

Here have a crayon, it's purple, your fav.

Veterans working in fast food are polite,put your order together correctly and can probably take care of unruly customers in an expeditious fashion. Plus they are 15 minutes early to work.

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Originally posted by sooma:


Here have a crayon, it's purple, your fav.

I was Army so you can't even get that stereotype right...LMAO

Let me guess, you wanted to join and washed out and have had a chip on your shoulder ever since.

Have seen it before.

I booked a car service to take me to the airport a few weeks ago.

A few minutes into the trip I find out the driver is a retired Marine Corps Brigadier General. 32 years. Showed me his reserve/retired ID. 3 months into retirement his wife told him to get a job and get out of her hair.

Great guy and some interesting thoughts on a similar topic as this. Told me the military is just a microcosm of society itself. You get the good, the bad and the ugly.

Sooma you are coming across as a complete asshole. You say you are very clearly not disparaging vets while you are quite clearly disparaging vets. In fact you clearly and repeatedly are doing it. In fact you claim it’s the MAJORITY of vets. You make the stupid fries comment the crayons comment etc.

You do sound like someone who wished he’d served in the military. Guess what? Military guys give each other shit about their service. You? You weren’t military so you don’t get that privilege. Go bust the balls of that laundry list you produced of service that wasn’t military, ie you and your buddies.

You tell an Army guy he’s a crayon eater you haven’t earned that right. Sorry but the truth is the truth. Quit while you are ahead. Or don’t. I don’t care you are the guy sounding like an asshat.

Here's your fries...shove 'em up your ass.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by pedropcola:
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"Sooma you are coming across as a complete asshole."


yep, I couldn't say it better so I'll stick with that.

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Originally posted by Johnny 3eagles:
Here's your fries...shove 'em up your ass.

I never had to put fries in a bag but I did work with the public during my high school years. Being Chicago I learned how to deal with a lot of shit. I have respect for blue collar workers and those poor souls in the fast food industry. Somebody who sees waitresses and fast food workers as worthy of disdain has a problem.

Well I do a job for my livelihood that supports nearly 30 million people. My work REALLY matters. And that’s all I will say about it.

But at the end of the day it’s not the same as someone who put on that uniform, who was ready to die for America and serve in a hostile environment. And FWIW, I view cops in the same breath, risking their ass everyday. As well as emergency response personnel, fireman, a lot of fucking people who are underpaid, and under appreciated. But military is at the top of my totem pole as far as respect. You sign on with Uncle Sam, knowing you are their property for those years, well like Charles Barkley says about NBA champions, because he isn’t one, they sit at a different table imo.

We all don’t have to agree either. That’s what military members have been signing up for, for hundreds of years now, so we can have these freedoms of believing and saying what we want.

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Originally posted by sooma:

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by sooma:

For the vast majority of vets I want to say: "thank you for your service, and put the fry's in the bag dude".

Wow.

You come across as someone with a grudge against vets TBH

Did something happen to you along the way that made you bitter like this?

Zero grudge against vets, clearly stated. The issue is vets think that is the only form of service to this country that should count, therefore have exemptions.

I think this rant is more befitting for the members of Congress/Senate than an extremely large majority of the members of our military current or discharged.

I am a Vietnam / Cold War era Vet. Then 35 + years in various LE jobs. Nothing special about me. When asked if I have or want a Veterans discount, I decline. Other Vets service experience was greater or more severe than mine so maybe they are deserving of a break. And our more recent unending sandbox adventures have taken a toll on younger Vets. I hope I am humble and unassuming enough to please Sooma!

No my poor delusional friend, the garbage man and the construction worker are not the same as those who served in the military. While they may be contributing to society, it is not the same "service." Perhaps that's the issue...how we define "serving your country."

Here's my definition: the military member serving their country has signed on to pay for the defense of this country, with their life if necessary. Yes, not all specialties in every service are at risk, but the fact is they all are obligated (and hopefully willing) to pay that price of called to do so.

The FBI, DEA, ATF, garbage man, construction worker, et al are not under any such obligation. While you may argue they face similar risks (and at rare times a very few number of them may), the alphabet services are not contractually obligated to do shit. I won't even begin to try to explain esprit to someone who is on the outside looking in and trying to make it seem like it's somehow the same.

"Working with" for decades isn't the same as being one. Nor does it give you the same perspective try as you might to think it does. Now, that said I don't agree that military service is some magic gateway required to vote, have an opinion, etc.

Funny you bitch about veterans thinking their service entitles them to their opinions, but then try to establish your own bona fides by touting your length of membership on this forum.

You can color your bitch with saying things like we need to respect our veterans and military, but your condescending tone and smart ass "fries" comment reveal your true feelings and character. You've lumped all vets into a category and said veteran ideas are shit.

I agree with the poster who said you're likely someone who wanted to serve but couldn't for whatever reason. So now you're trying to equate your "service" in the high speed low drag "combat arms" around the world as being the same. It's not, and unless you did "serve" in the military you'll never understand why. You didn't and I'm not going to waste my time further trying to explain it to you.

While others have hinted at it, to use the popular vernacular of the day, let me be clear when I say this. Fuck You.

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Originally posted by mojojojo:

While others have hinted at it, to use the popular vernacular of the day, let me be clear when I say this. Fuck You.

Couldn't have said it better!

There are those that get it. And there are those that don't.

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Originally posted by mojojojo:
Here's my definition: the military member serving their country has signed on to pay for the defense of this country, with their life if necessary.

It’s also put this way:
“A military veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to the United States of America for an amount up to and including their life.”

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Originally posted by mojojojo:
The … are not contractually obligated to do shit.

And I’ll point out that for members of the armed forces, it’s not just a contract: It’s a binding oath to “obey the lawful orders ….” That means, “Oh, no. That’s too dangerous; I’ve had enough of this so here’s my badge (or credentials or uniform or keys to the kitchen), and good bye,” isn’t something any member can say, unlike any other job’s employee.

I respect anyone who contributes to society in any way, including doing any worthwhile job conscientiously and well. To say, however, that being a member of the armed forces is no different than other jobs, including dangerous jobs, simply demonstrates their ignorance about the topic—as has been clearly demonstrated here.