Those of you in the NFA game will probably understand. I have submitted five Form 1s this past year to make SBRs and one SBS. The first was a test run. I had the ATF send some free fingerprint cards, and had myself fingerprinted at the local PD to ensure it went through fine ($20). Kind of annoying, but no big deal, although I don't remember them charging when I made my 1st SBR 5 or 6 years ago.

Then I found out Silencershop (who already had my prints) would send me a completed set of cards for $15 shipped! What a deal. I ordered 6 (3 at first, to ensure they worked fine. Then 3 more.) and have two remaining. I was always planning to SBR a few more, and figured now would be a good time to start.

Well waddya know? Silencershop is now selling those same set of cards for $40 DOLLARS A SET!
I'd sooner send my prints to a company I looked up a couple of months ago to make a digital set, so I'll never have to order another set for these purposes again. Cripes am I mad. I should have bought more at the end of December, but I was preoccupied.

I understand the demand is up due a certain agency's treasonous behavior. I am just venting.

My most recent stamp beneficiary:

Order fingerprint cards for free from ATF's website and buy an ink pad off amazon for less than $10. I print myself with no issues. Been doing it for years. We have an EFT machine or whatever it's called at work but we're not allowed to use it for personal stuff.

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Originally posted by Chowser:
Order fingerprint cards for free from ATF's website and buy an ink pad off amazon for less than $10. I print myself with no issues. Been doing it for years. We have an EFT machine or whatever it's called at work but we're not allowed to use it for personal stuff.

Yes. That, or getting the digital set I mentioned earlier, will be the way forward. I knew the silencershop cards were over priced, but I like silencershop, and it was convenient. No more. I still have a few sets of blank cards from the ATF, so I’ll try my luck with the ink pad.

Did the digital fingerprints, it's only done at specific locations, and you don't have to wipe your fingers clean after....

Now that both eForm 1 and 4 accept digital prints, I’m not even bothering with physical prints anymore. Even if you roll your own, mailing them in runs the risk of them never arriving. Yes, rolling your own is cheaper, but for the money spent on NFA items, I can afford a one time charge for digital prints that’s only a fraction of the price of a single tax stamp.

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
I can afford a one time charge for digital prints that’s only a fraction of the price of a single tax stamp.

Do .EFT files have date stamps?

Is there an expiration date for fingerprint cards, digital or ink?

As in, could you reuse the same .EFT over decades? Then what about ink prints, rolling them once then scanning and reprinting them as needed?

Does the ATF have a policy of "prints must have been taken within XYZ time frame"?

Last month I looked it up and saw Midwest Silencers offers the service. Sounds like a no brainer, with the price hike.

I will research a little more and will probably try them out.

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
I can afford a one time charge for digital prints that’s only a fraction of the price of a single tax stamp.

Do .EFT files have date stamps?

Is there an expiration date for fingerprint cards, digital or ink?

As in, could you reuse the same .EFT over decades? Then what about ink prints, rolling them once then scanning and reprinting them as needed?

Does the ATF have a policy of "prints must have been taken within XYZ time frame"?

I’ve never heard of an expiration date for fingerprints. Pictures expire after a year, but not prints. The ones that Silencer Shop have been sending for me are many years old.

I found out today that UPS stores, well some of them at least, will provide you with eft files of your prints. She asked if I had the QR Code for the agency the prints were for though? Not sure what that’s about. I’d like to figure it out, it’d be a lot more convenient for my customers.

this all sounds kind of old school to me... it sure seems like once the BAFTE have a set of your prints they would not need multiple copies of them. Besides that, why not just have them digitized and then they are permanently there.

I'm pretty sure years ago when I went down to Florida and got an out of state permit.. they digitally did my prints....

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Originally posted by dry-fly:
I found out today that UPS stores, well some of them at least, will provide you with eft files of your prints. She asked if I had the QR Code for the agency the prints were for though? Not sure what that’s about. I’d like to figure it out, it’d be a lot more convenient for my customers.

I got my prints done yesterday via Printscan at a UPS store, and the only QR code they asked me for was the one on the confirmation email that they sent me. When you register online for the appointment, you tell them what it’s for, which in this case was for ATF. Presumably, that’s imbedded in the QR code in the email.

The email with the link to download the .EFT file came pretty quickly after using the kiosk.

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
this all sounds kind of old school to me... it sure seems like once the BAFTE have a set of your prints they would not need multiple copies of them. Besides that, why not just have them digitized and then they are permanently there.

I'm pretty sure years ago when I went down to Florida and got an out of state permit.. they digitally did my prints....

FL has been doing digital prints for CWPs for years. Regarding the ATF, I don’t think they keep the prints after each submission. Maybe they aren’t allowed to, which is why they make you resubmit them every time.

Regarding SS jacking up the price of paper prints, I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t all due to the brace rule. Noted that recently SS has restarted offering Form 1 service, so wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t do that to push people to using them instead of submitting their own Form 1s.

EFT file email received (to the SPAM folder) last night, from Midwest Silencers. Will submit a F1 this evening to test it out.

I’m calling around and there is NOBODY who will provide me a digital copy of my fingerprints. Not Livescan (two different local places that do it), not UPS, not Ident2go. Fieldprint won’t even answer the fucking phone. This is absurd. I may just go ahead and get the free cards and an ink pad.

They’re MY fingerprints! I fucking own them!!

Cards are free, an ink pad is a few bucks, and rolling prints isn't rocket surgery. Get a couple extra cards just in case, and practice on some blank paper beforehand. It'll be easiest to do it on the edge of a table or counter to allow free space for the rest of your hand/arm/wrist; the edge of a taller bar/island/etc. could prove even better. Use only light-moderate pressure, and remember that you're rolling or "slapping" (depending on the section) so refrain from sliding/smearing. Use something heavy to hold down the top of the card so it doesn't move around on you.

Da hell is on that Glock?

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Da hell is on that Glock?

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
I’m calling around and there is NOBODY who will provide me a digital copy of my fingerprints. Not Livescan (two different local places that do it), not UPS, not Ident2go. Fieldprint won’t even answer the fucking phone. This is absurd. I may just go ahead and get the free cards and an ink pad.

They’re MY fingerprints! I fucking own them!!

Have the same issue here but no big deal really since the LGS prints for free.

DPS does it for free here when you get a ccw permit.