HB23-1230 has been introduced on March 3, 2023, and is currently in the Judiciary Committee.

What are the chances this passes?

https://www.koaa.com/news/capi...ibit-assault-weapons

I would have said zero, and then 2012 happened and they shoved the mag ban and universal background checks right down our throats, triggering recall efforts that ultimately did us fuck-all for gun rights.

For our own good. Buy what you want now. We aren't just turning into Kalifornia. Were turning into Connecticut.

I fucking hope Im wrong. But Im about to test my marriage with some spending...

Of course it will pass. The Dems have a super majority in this state. We can only hope there is enough money available to challenge this bill as a violation of the Second Amendment. If not, this bill sets up the future bill that will ban possession of defined firearms.

I love this state and would prefer to retire here but the Dems are making it harder to live here.

It pains me to see what's happened to my beloved home state. Colorado used to be a spectacular place to live, but it's now the perfect example of what happens when states and localities prioritize growth over everything else.

I will not be returning. We're moving back to the Rockies this year, but not Colorado. The place I grew up in no longer exists.

This is interesting. I thought for sure the Dems would be lock step in banning semi autos. Hope it fails. No word on banning the evil 'Assault Weapon',


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Colorado gun control bills progress; semi-auto ban unlikely

DENVER (AP) — Months after the state’s latest mass shooting, Colorado’s Democratic-controlled Legislature has passed a package of gun control measures that are expected to be signed by the state’s governor and more closely align it with the liberal strongholds of California and New York.

The proposals include strengthening red flag laws, raising the firearm purchasing age to 21, opening the gun industry up to legal liability and installing a three-day waiting period after buying a gun.


A measure set to be debated Wednesday that would implement a sweeping ban on semi-automatic firearms faces much stiffer odds and illustrates that even Democratic-controlled statehouses don’t have free rein on overhauling laws rooted deep in American culture.

Hundreds of people have signed up to testify at the proposal’s first hearing in what is expected to be a passionate hearing with a mix of gun owners opposing the measure and supporters campaigning to reduce gun violence that plagues the country.

Colorado has suffered some of the nation’s most notorious massacres, including 13 killed in 1999 at Columbine High School, 12 killed in 2012 at an Aurora movie theater, 10 killed in 2021 at a Boulder supermarket and five killed last November at a Colorado Springs gay nightclub.

Just last month, after a student shot two administrators in a Denver high school, waves of chanting students and teachers filled Colorado’s Capitol demanding the laws be passed.


Teachers, students rally again to demand gun reform at the state capitol Friday
The Capitol’s halls were filled with high schoolers locked in debate with lawmakers. Others lay on the marble floors in front of Gov. Jared Polis’ office until he appeared to hear their grievances. One student who disrupted proceedings in the House was carried out by law enforcement.

While deeply Democratic states like California, New York and Massachusetts have restricted semi-automatic rifles, the proposal in Colorado has revealed divides even among Democrats and incited ongoing contention between the urban and rural parts of the state.

Democrats have collectively forced the other gun control measures through the House, Senate and toward the governor’s desk, but the semi-automatic firearm ban has not received the same urgency. Polis, a Democrat, has demurred from questions on the ban. It is a state where Democrats know well that going too far on gun laws can put them in political peril.

A decade ago, Colorado voters ousted two state lawmakers in first-ever recall elections that came in reaction to the Democrats’ support for tougher gun laws in the aftermath of the Aurora theater shooting.

While Democrats control both of Colorado’s chambers, Republican lawmakers have put up a vigorous fight against the other measures this year, filibustering into the wee hours of the morning as debates spilled into long weekends. The attempt to stymie what Republicans considered burdensome and unconstitutional policies finally ran aground when Speaker of the House Rep. Julie McCluskie, a Democrat, invoked a rarely used rule — considered the nuclear option — to shut down debate and push the bills to a vote.


As gun debate continues, study finds 1 in 4 CO teens have quick access to guns
Republicans decried the move as silencing their voices and, by extension, the voices of their constituents.


The measures are being considered as Colorado, along with a number of cities including Boulder, are being sued by groups like the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners over a statewide 15-round magazine capacity limit and a semi-automatic rifle ban. The gun rights groups were encouraged by a recent Supreme Court decision that set new standards for courts evaluating gun laws.

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A decade ago, Colorado voters ousted two state lawmakers in first-ever recall elections that came in reaction to the Democrats’ support for tougher gun laws in the aftermath of the Aurora theater shooting.

And, three Senators would have been removed giving control of the Senate to Republicans. The third was talked into resigning so the Democrat governor could appoint the replacement. I went to school with one of the recalled Senators. I'm glad to see this is being resisted. The Judiciary Committee was scheduled to vote on this thing last month. I'll keep my eye on this, but it looks like I can postpone my panic purchase. For now.

I too am disgusted with what has happened to the state I call home. I've written many emails to all the lib dims. They seem to want to ignore the constitution and the oath they took. Everyone who owns firearms in this state needs to get involved. Now is not the time for apathy.

The 'Assault Weapons Ban' bill is dead for now.

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Colorado House panel kills 'assault weapons' ban
Legislation that sought to ban so-called "assault weapons" died early Thursday morning after three Democrats joined the Colorado House Judiciary Committee's Republicans to kill the bill on a 7-6 vote.

Shortly before 1 a.m. Thursday, Democratic Reps. Bob Marshall of Highlands Ranch, Said Sharbini of Westminster and Marc Snyder of Colorado Springs voted down the legislation along with their Republican colleagues after a pair of amendments to ban bump stocks and rapid-fire trigger activators were lost.

A subsequent vote to postpone the bill indefinitely drew one additional Democratic vote from Rep. Lindsay Daugherty of Arvada.

The nearly 15-hour hearing, which kicked off Wednesday morning, drew a 2023 record 522 witnesses seeking to testify.

The bill — sponsored by Rep. Elisabeth Epps, D-Denver — has divided the Democrats' Gun Violence Prevention Caucus, with leading members, such as Sen. Tom Sullivan, D-Centennial, believing other measures, such as his proposal to improve the red flag law, are better solutions to gun violence.

When Democratic lawmakers unveiled a package of four gun control bills on Feb. 23, the assault weapons ban was notably not among them. Nor did lawmakers mention it.

In addition, Gov. Jared Polis is also believed to be opposed to an assault weapons ban.

Those who support gun control measures claim it's an issue better addressed at the federal level, such as the ban that existed for a decade that started in the Clinton administration.

Under HB 1230, "assault weapons" — a nonspecific term — is defined in several ways:

a semiautomatic rifle that can accept a detachable magazine, along with modifications, such as a pistol grip, a detachable stock, a flash suppressor or a grenade launcher;
a semiautomatic rifle with a fixed large-capacity magazine or a semiautomatic pistol with the same list of possible modifications;
a semiautomatic shotgun, including those that can accept the same modifications;
a semiautomatic firearm that can accept a belt ammunition feeding device or a semiautomatic firearm modified to be operable as an "assault weapon" as defined in the bill
Ban on 'bump stocks'
But the final bill that emerges might be markedly different than its introductory version.

Epps announced early on in Wednesday's hearing that she is considering an amendment to remove all the firearms identified in the bill — except for a ban on "bump stocks," an attachment that allows a semiautomatic rifle to fire like a machine gun.

A bump stock allowed the Las Vegas shooter who killed 58 people and wounded more than 500 others in 2017 to fire rapidly into the crowd at a country music concert.

However, as of press time, Epps had not asked for committee approval of the amendment.

A federal ban on bump stocks, implemented under the Trump administration, is on hold pending court appeals.

House Republicans decried the decision to bring forward an amendment that no one knew about, saying the hundreds of witnesses opposed to the measure would not have an opportunity to address what the bill could ultimately look like.

House Minority Leader Mike Lynch, R-Wellington, noted that a record number of people have signed up to oppose the measure. He called Epps' plan to change the bill without warning an insult to the witnesses.

"The result remains uncertain, but we're seeing a pushback ... (against) a radical agenda of disarming our citizens," he said.

But Lynch also asked why lawmakers are "wasting more time" on the issue of gun control.

He said while lawmakers spend another full day on a gun bill, what's being left behind with just 18 days left in the 2023 session are issues affecting every Coloradan, such as proposals to make things safer so they don't worry about crime or address the housing crisis.

"We're spending inordinate amounts of time on an issue that we've beat to death this session. We're running out of time," he said.

'The body is essentially blown apart'

Witnesses in support of the measure, who included representatives of the nation's biggest gun control groups, testified on what an "assault weapon" does to the human body.

Denver District Attorney Beth McCann told the committee that she prosecutes the worst things people do to each other.

"I go to homicide scenes and I see the terrible results of injuries caused by handguns. But at least with handguns, there’s an entry wound and an exit wound and the body is generally intact other than those small wounds," McCann said. "If a person is killed by an assault weapon, the body is essentially blown apart."

“Assault weapons are designed for killing, not for self-defense," added Peter Gurfein of Giffords Gun Owners for Safety. "The damage done by high velocity shells by these firearms is horrific and disproportionately used in mass shootings."

He added, "There is no evidence that owning an assault weapon makes people safer."

Students from East High School, who have marched on the state Capitol several times in the wake of the March 7 shooting that injured two administrators, also testified. Authorities later found the 17-year-old suspect dead. They believe he committed suicide.

Norah Krause, a 14-year-old freshman at East High, said she's becoming all too familiar with the insides of the state Capitol. She now considers herself a survivor of gun violence and mass shootings, including incidents involving assault weapons.

The debate, she said, has become political, with Democrats versus Republicans instead of life versus death or graduation versus funerals.

"I've sent texts that I thought would be my last," she told the committee.

Her 10-year-old brother is scared for her to go to school because he thinks she won't come back, she said, adding, "I should not have to grow up this quickly. I should be worrying about insignificant things like a bio test, friend drama, or whether to get Chipotle or Starbucks for lunch. I should not have to come here every week to tell you guys to do your job."

Instead, she said, her school experiences are ruining her love of learning.

"I can't keep going through this," Krause said. "I don't deserve it. My friends don't deserve it. My brother doesn't deserve it."

Opponents warn of lawsuits
Among the hundreds of opponents, Daniel Fenalson of the Colorado State Shooting Association said the bill will not stop any shooting, including at the school where he, too, became a survivor. The bill would only create more victims, he said, including victims of domestic violence who want to defend themselves.

That testimony also came, and was echoed by others, with a warning: lawsuits will follow.

Adam Dill of Boulder County pointed out the costs for the state of defending such lawsuits will be immense.

"We must consider the financial burden of a lengthy battle," he told the committee members.

Disarming citizens will make them more vulnerable to crime, particularly for people of color, women, LGBTQ and those with disabilities, added Carynn Rudolph-Porter, who owns Goliath Tactical Firearms Training.

"As a Black, lesbian woman, a mother, a survivor of sexual assault, a disabled veteran, a social worker, and a certified firearms instructor, I believe that this proposed ban is detrimental to the greater community and a violation of our human right," she said.

Several gun store owners also spoke in opposition, claiming the bill is intended to put them out of business. One said the bill is based on a lack of familiarity about what "assault weapons" are and added that HB 1230 will turn law-abiding citizens, including firearms dealers, into criminals.

The bill also drew opposition from five county sheriffs, including Sheriff Darren Weekly of Douglas County, who said the bill would make commonly owned firearms illegal to purchase, sell or transfer.

"We must not compromise individual liberties under the guise of safety," Weekly said.

As of press time, witnesses are still testifying on the bill and the hearing is expected to continue late into the night.

Okay I can relax for a little bit. Man I was preparing to spend some money here. I was set to really keep an eye on this I mean they were pulling out all the stops. Sneaking around adding things late on a Friday and Saturday from what I heard. I know when these bills get started it usually is the wet dream of whoever proposes it, and they negotiate from that point. I guess some do remember the last time they poked that bear.

Going to say a little prayer, and have a large drink tonight.

I'm incredibly shocked this didn't go through given the political climate here in Colorado.

They are quick to point out Polis is not a fan of bans, but if he's got presidential dreams signing one of these would make him a rock star for the national leftists. I remember Hickenlooper out right lying many times on the Mike Rosen Show about the magazine restriction. I knew he was going to sign it when he started running the bullshit that he hadn't made up his mind yet.

Chickenpooper. Talk about an empty, stupid shell of a man. He wasn't even full of hot air, he was invisible until you would see him somewhere speaking a bunch of stuttering incoherent nonsense.

Anyway I'm gonna celebrate the stay of execution and buy myself somethin' real nice...

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Anyway I'm gonna celebrate the stay of execution and buy myself somethin' real nice...

I went ahead and ordered a BCM 14.5" mid length complete upper yesterday. I already have an embarrassingly large number of completed lowers, mags, and ammo.

I was too lazy to post that pic, but you read my mind.

Nice choice on the upper!

Thanks!
I have always indulged in the brand of the poors (PSA) but decided to go ahead and invest in something of quality now rather than wait until I wish I would have.
I have the PSA premium 14.7" upper also so I look forward in doing the Pepsi challenge between the two. Maybe take both to a good carbine class and get lots of rounds through them.

oh yeah do that. Invite me.

Slinging brass is starting to get important. Reminds me of that Whitman book.

leaves of brass...

Looks like we get to wait 3 days after the background check now. What a tool….

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DENVER — Colorado’s governor signed four gun control bills Friday, following the lead of other states struggling to confront a nationwide surge in violent crime and mass shootings, despite a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling that expanded Second Amendment rights.
Before the ink was even dry on Gov. Jared Polis' signature, gun rights groups sued to reverse two of the measures: raising the buying age for any gun from 18 to 21, and establishing a three-day waiting period between the purchase and receipt of a gun. The courts are already weighing lawsuits over such restrictions in other states.

The new laws, which Democrats pushed through despite late-night filibusters from Republicans, are aimed at quelling rising suicides and youth violence, preventing mass shootings and opening avenues for gun violence victims to sue the long-protected firearm industry. They were enacted just five months after a mass shooting at an LGBTQ club in Colorado Springs.
“Coloradoans deserve to be safe in our communities, in our schools, in our grocery stores, in our nightclubs,” Polis said as he signed the measures in his office. The governor was flanked by activists wearing red shirts reading, “Moms Demand Action," students from a Denver high school recently affected by a shooting, and parents of a woman killed in the Aurora theater shooting in 2012.
Supportive lawmakers and citizens alike had tears in their eyes and roared their applause as Polis signed each bill. Colorado has a history of notorious mass shootings, reaching back to the Columbine High School massacre in 1999.
Republicans decried the bills as onerous encroachments on Second Amendment rights that would impede Colorado residents’ ability to defend themselves amid a rising statewide crime rate. Gun rights advocates pledged to reverse the measures.
"This is simply bigoted politicians doing what bigoted politicians do: discriminating against an age,” said Taylor Rhodes, executive director of the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, referring to the new age limit on gun purchases. Rhodes said he has confidence in the lawsuits that his group has filed.

They increase Red Flags, and exposed manufacturers to liability. I'm waiting to see what the push back is going to be. We are 10 years after the last time when two senators were recalled and one resigned. If the push back isn't significant the leftists will be back sooner rather then later, and a lot more often.

And, they are back sooner.

https://coloradosun.com/2024/0...ban-introduced-2024/