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Pretty specimens, but I guess the Russians never heard about cylinder gap...

Do you get alot of powder spray when you shoot it?


No. All Nagant revolvers are like that, by design.

The Nagant is a unique design. It fires a 7.62x38R cartridge that is completely encased in the brass, with the bullet sitting below the level of the case mouth, which is tapered:


When the trigger is pulled, the entire cylinder cams forward up against the stepped portion at the rear of the barrel, which partially enters the front of the cylinder and seals against the case mouth. This removes any cylinder gap and results in a complete gas seal. When the trigger is released after firing, the cylinder cams rearward to remove the barrel from the cylinder and allow it to rotate freely.



As a result of this unique gas seal with no cylinder gap, the Nagant is one of the only revolvers that can be suppressed effectively.
 
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Thanks for the explanation.
 
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I forgot about that. It's even more complex than I thought!


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Sorry about the picture quality. I haven't taken updated pix of these rifles. It is on my todo list. I've got more pix of the Swede if anyone wants to see them let me know and I'll post them all.

m41B Swedish Sniper rifle ALL matching serial numbers


M1 Garand gunsmith refurbished.


Mosin-nagant 91/30 Sniper Rifle


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Nice photos of some nice rifles, entropy. Is that a muzzle brake on your K98?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by entropy:
What YOU got?


A bunch. Primarily Mausers, Mosins, and USGI rifles, with a few random others thrown in. Most of which I (sadly) don't have photos of yet.

Here are a few that I do have pics of:

Awesome! You have been at this for a while!


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RogueJSK, very interesting.
 
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Sorry about the picture quality. I haven't taken updated pix of these rifles. It is on my todo list. I've got more pix of the Swede if anyone wants to see them let me know and I'll post them all.

m41B Swedish Sniper rifle ALL matching serial numbers


M1 Garand gunsmith refurbished.


Mosin-nagant 91/30 Sniper Rifle


I had one of the Swedes too. Also briefly owned a AG42B Ljungman auto. Guess the balance of importation of the Ljungmans was stopped in the Clinton era. I loved those long stick Mausers by golly!

Among my Americans and Brits, I mixed in a FN 49 and a sweet MAS.

I gotta tell you guys, the rifle I loved above all others, even my Garands and 03A3 was the M2 .22. I ran slap into one in a local Gun Shop which was 1 of 3 long guns with green Police evidence tags on them. That M2 was 1926 barreled and a like new rifle. I held the M2 every time I went there.
 
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[QUOTE] I gotta tell you guys, the rifle I loved above all others, even my Garands and 03A3 was the M2 .22. I ran slap into one in a local Gun Shop which was 1 of 3 long guns with green Police evidence tags on them. That M2 was 1926 barreled and a like new rifle. I held the M2 [QUOTE]
Did it look like this? Not mine, it sold on Guns America for $1,495.00 about $500.00 less than my Swede. Someone is a very happy camper!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by David Lee:



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I love the M2 George! The one I fell in love with did not have the large globe afront. What a sweet rifle.. Razz
 
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Pretty specimens, but I guess the Russians never heard about cylinder gap...

Do you get alot of powder spray when you shoot it?


No. All Nagant revolvers are like that, by design.

The Nagant is a unique design. It fires a 7.62x38R cartridge that is completely encased in the brass, with the bullet sitting below the level of the case mouth, which is tapered:


When the trigger is pulled, the entire cylinder cams forward up against the stepped portion at the rear of the barrel, which partially enters the front of the cylinder and seals against the case mouth. This removes any cylinder gap and results in a complete gas seal. When the trigger is released after firing, the cylinder cams rearward to remove the barrel from the cylinder and allow it to rotate freely.



As a result of this unique gas seal with no cylinder gap, the Nagant is one of the only revolvers that can be suppressed effectively.



This from a shipmate who owns 3.
Resize 32-20 starline brass to 7.62x38r actually it is a little short but shoots fine. I use a plated 83gr Berry hbwc over I think 3.5gr of Unique an it is a hoot to shoot. Trigger heavy as hell, but single action not so bad.


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Yep, the double action trigger is very heavy. 15+ pounds. Maybe even 20+.

There are various tricks to shim the mainspring to pretension the spring and reduce the trigger pull weight, including an old WW2 Russian trick of removing the grips and inserting an 8mm bullet between the mainspring and the front strap. I haven't tried anything like that yet, mainly because parts are relatively hard to get if you break something. Plus, the single action trigger is manageable.

You can get a conversion cylinder for the Nagant that will allow you to fire .32 ACP through it. And some folks fire . 32 S&W, .32 S&W Long, and .32 H&R Magnum through the original cylinder, but I wouldn't advise making a habit of it, as reports are that it often results in split cases and leading of the forcing cone. Besides, all of those rounds are right about as expensive as genuine 7.62x38R anyway, so there's little reason to go with them instead.
 
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This is an Irish Contract No4 Mk2 Lee Enfield I picked up in July of 2000. It was in the original wrap and soaked in cosmoline.



That is absolutely gorgeous.
Is that original or was it refinished?

The first rifle that I ever fired was a SMLE trainer in .22 LR. I had a Savage made No.4 Mk1 that was stolen from me in 1987.
 
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I have a Polish Military Trainer; a KBKS (Short Military Training Rifle) Wz. 78. When Poland Joined NATO, they obsoleted their Soviet era logistics system and rushed to embrace NATO's.


Polish Cadets. The kbks wz.78 is on the pad beside the student. Image from HERE

These training rifles became obsolete almost overnight. Apparently rifles still in the pipeline were stored. Enterprising US arms dealers were able to buy some of this obsolete inventory for a song. The Wz.78 rifles started showing up in 2010. The first batches were used rifles that had been used by a generation of cadets and showed their age. Interestingly people found these rifles to be remarkably accurate. The first batches went fast. The latest batch showed up at the end of 2011 and these seemed to be unused rifles. They had removable AKM type sights.

I received mine in the original wrap with preservative all over it; unissued.
A very heavily built bolt action .22 LR that turned out to be remarkably accurate. It also has a fully adjustable trigger. It came set at about 1.5 lbs.


Wifama kbks Wz. 78


Rear sight


Front sight


The bolt. Check out the thickness of the receiver walls.


5 round group


miserable .22 LR fliers! I'm pretty sure that flier was me. I need to try it with some better ammo.


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Here's the latest addition to the collection, a 1941 Swiss K31 carbine:

 
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Nice! I love the way all the K31's have the dark buttstock. I think it comes from being in the snow when linked with others.


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I have a Polish Military Trainer; a KBKS (Short Military Training Rifle) Wz. 78. When Poland Joined NATO, they obsoleted their Soviet era logistics system and rushed to embrace NATO's.


Polish Cadets. The kbks wz.78 is on the pad beside the student. Image from HERE

These training rifles became obsolete almost overnight. Apparently rifles still in the pipeline were stored. Enterprising US arms dealers were able to buy some of this obsolete inventory for a song. The Wz.78 rifles started showing up in 2010. The first batches were used rifles that had been used by a generation of cadets and showed their age. Interestingly people found these rifles to be remarkably accurate. The first batches went fast. The latest batch showed up at the end of 2011 and these seemed to be unused rifles. They had removable AKM type sights.

I received mine in the original wrap with preservative all over it; unissued.
A very heavily built bolt action .22 LR that turned out to be remarkably accurate. It also has a fully adjustable trigger. It came set at about 1.5 lbs.


Wifama kbks Wz. 78


Rear sight


Front sight


The bolt. Check out the thickness of the receiver walls.


5 round group


miserable .22 LR fliers! I'm pretty sure that flier was me. I need to try it with some better ammo.


Scoped


Oh man, I'm in lust! Sweeeeet!


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I'm going to fall into the category of need to take better pictures as well, here are a few:

Points if you can name them all.


They don't make bayonets like the used to.


The black powder shotgun with the ornate stock in the bottom front row is of unknown origin. I bought this at an estate sale about 10 years ago, it's been on my list of clean-up projects since then. It was in the original box it was shipped in, postage marking indicates it went through customs in 1986 (country of origin is illegible). It was sent from a serviceman to an address in West VA. I've never seen anything like it, the teeth appear to be real.


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Outstanding collection Whisp!

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Points if you can name them all.



Let's see... (Left to Right)

-Turk M38 Mauser
-FN49
-Hakim
-SKS (Norinco Paratrooper?)
-SVT 38 or 40
-Gewehr 43
-M1 Garand
-M1905 second run (aka "M1942") Bayonet
-No. 4 Mk. 1 Enfield
-Yugo M48 Mauser
-Another No. 4 Mk. 1 Enfield
-M1 Carbine
-Another M1 Carbine
-Mosin M38
-Mosin M44
-Mosin M91/30

I can't completely make out the ones on the ground, but it looks like (Top to Bottom):

-Swiss K31
-Mas 39
-Mas 49/56
-Various antique black powder guns
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Outstanding collection Whisp!

Thank you!

And Spot on- the whole way. When I uploaded the picture my first thought as poor as the picture was, was that no one was going to get the Yugo as a K98 would be an easy mistake to make. The poor Yugo is what I would consider a rescue rifle. I bought it at a show in Harrisonburg VA from a private seller for $50 bucks. Guy had attempted to file the crest off the receiver for reasons unknown, and had managed to remove and then somehow forcibly reinstall the front sight blade backwards. He said it didn't shoot good, which (aside from the front sight) I'm sure was because he failed to clean out about 60% of the cosmo. That poor thing is beat to hell, but after a cleanup and new sight blade it turned out to be a great shooter.

Just to add some more detail:


-Turk M38 Mauser (My first C/R, when LGS's still kept'em in barrels, Smile )
-FN49 (8mm, Egyptian)
-Hakim
-SKS Norinco Paratrooper
-SVT 40 (41 Tula, all matching- only stencil mark is on the mag and bolt)
-Gewehr 43 (DUV 44 f block, 100% matching, durofol handguard, no import markings, no duffle cut, all proofs visible)
-M1 Garand (refinished by previous owner, was a display piece at a local organization. Mix master, but with mostly NM parts)
-M1905 second run (aka "M1942") Bayonet
-No. 4 Mk. 1 Enfield (.303, LongBranch)
-Yugo M48 Mauser
-Another No. 4 Mk. 1 Enfield (.303, BSA)
-M1 Carbine (IBM Corp)
-Another M1 Carbine (Quality HW)
-Mosin M38 (Izzy)
-Mosin M44 (TULA)
-Mosin M91/30 (TULA)

-Swiss K31
-Mas 39 (7.5mm)
-Mas 49/56 (7.5mm)


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Very impressive collection, sir. You must have been at it for a while. Things like SVTs, G43s, FN49s, and Hakim's haven't been available in any quantity since the early 90s.

Here's a little trip down memory lane: a Century International Arms ad from 1988. Look at those prices! Brings a tear to my eye, since I didn't get into surplus rifles until about 10 years ago, by which time G43s had already risen well above $1k.



Or, going back even further (ca. 1960s)...



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When I uploaded the picture my first thought as poor as the picture was, was that no one was going to get the Yugo as a K98 would be an easy mistake to make.


The three giveaways on the M48 were the elongated upper handguard that wraps around the rear sight and runs all the way to the front barrel band, the lack of a bolt disassembly disk in the buttstock, and the lack of a stock cutout in the bolt knob area.

(M48 on top, K98 on bottom)



 
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