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Offgrid

I appreciate the information. I'm 99% certain that I'll be going with the Dasher. I was about to source a barrel tonight. Thanks for the advice on twist rate. If tuning and fireforming are as easy as you mentioned, I don't see any downside on choosing the Dasher.


For the new 110s, you'll want a 7 twist, not a 7.5 twist. They'll fly out of an 8 twist even, but bc is lost by not getting them spinning fast enough. Some far better shooters than I, whom I believe, claim their ballistics show 316 with a 1:7 and 312 with a 1:8. Not sure about the new 115s, but I would expect similar results re:lost bc.




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Took five shots at one of the clays, elevation dope was off by .2-.3 mils, chased the wind, made corrections... We took turns shooting, spotting for each other through our scopes. Took a break after the first run, made a small correction to my BC to get things to track. 2nd run I shot first, first shot hit a clay Big Grin Next 4 shots all around another clay. Over the years I have some stand out shots, this is one of those. Lot of fun having my two buddies witness it. No doubt luck came into play!


Offgrid. "You Serious Clark?" You hit a clay pigeon at 1770 yards on the first shot of a string?

Holy hell man....


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Offgrid - Satterlee just posted today's scores. Looks like that dasher isn't treating you so hot out there in WY... Here's to a better tomorrow!




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The Wyoming ELR match was definitely a learning experience. It was a really good match. The distances were unforgiving to errors or variability of any kind.

Maximum shots on target were 163 by my calculation. There were 64 different steel targets, resulting in 2-4 shots at a given target per stage. All stages started in prone, with the shooting having the opportunity to align the rifle to the target. The time limit was 2-1/2 minutes for 8 or sometimes 9 shots. Timing out in our squad was pretty rare.

The closest targets were just under 500 yards. There were some long pokes. Two targets around 1425, one at 1571, one at 1683, and three just over 1700 yards. I hit only one of 1700+ targets -- a 30" circle at 1711 yards. I missed the other two 1700 yarders, both of which were bull elk targets. For the first elk I missed my first shot's wind call so badly that I impacted about two elks to the right of the bull. Probably would have hit one of his harem in tow, however. Razz For the other long-shot elk I joked that I would have impacted if the elk would have been better hung.

Match scores were dominated by the big magnums -- .30 and 7mm chamberings. My 6.5 Creedmoor was at a disadvantage, as wind call errors were unforgiving at the longer distances. This may come as surprise to some, but central Wyoming is known for a little bit of wind. The hundreds of electricity generating wind towers in the area might mean something, but I'm uncertain. Ultimately, I was my own worst enemy due to a boatload of mental errors, which arose as less than stellar positions behind the gun, and in not-so-hot fundamentals in marksmanship. I finished middle of the pack of the 98 shooters who posted scores.

Kudos to Alpine, who shot quite well with his 7 SAUM.

There's a big question for those of us without magnum calibers in such a match. Do we suck up second-tier status with our dainty guns, our build a big-boy rifle for just one match per year? And a magnum rifle with a barrel that could be toast after 1,000 rounds. I honestly believe that without cranial-rectal inversion, placing in the top 1/3 to top 1/4 isn't out of the question in this match with a short action, non-magnum caliber. One just has to hit a very high percentage of targets within 1,000 yards and lob a few good mortars at the long targets.

I think I'll be back next year with my 6.5 Creedmoor. Density altitudes of 9,000' to 10,000' help. I hit a 3-ish foot diameter circle at 1800 yards on practice day on my third shot. My factory Hornady 140 ELD-M bullets were still flying pretty true at that distance, although they were certainly wheezing. JBM ballistics predicted my impacts really well, as long as my technique was up to snuff.

That ol' technique thingie is so critical. Maybe one of these days I'll get it down for more than 2 stages in a row.
 
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Alpine and fritz, as always good shooting with ya. Congrats to both of you on your strong finish. An amazing place to shoot, 60+ square mile ranch.

Total beat down for this shooter! First stage, 2nd shooter, first shot hit the T-post holding up the target about a half target low at 6XXyds, huh?! Strong wind in my face, pushing the bullet further down then what is predicted, dealt with that before. 2nd shot hold top of the target, hit, huh again. Miss the next three targets/6 shots, no idea where they're going targets on a bit of crest in tall grass. Not a good start. Later we learn the distance were way off, grrrr! Next stage shooting low, have no idea what's going on, barrel take a poop, scope not tracking, me....? 14XXyd target, large rock pile in front of the target, actually skipped a shot off of a rock hit the target, impact! Wyoming winds are very difficult to say the least. Wind ramps up and down very quickly, shooting across draws, canyons, long flight times... Chasing elevation/shooting a small caliber on top of that, not a good situation. So often in a match with very difficult wind, no one wants to shoot first. I was shooting so poorly, volunteered to shoot first several times on our squad, get up share wind calls... No doubt even if I was on my game, 6mm is not even close to the ideal caliber with those distances/big wind. I do plan on shooting it next year, once again an amazing place to shoot. Very much like the fact it was an all prone match, not all the special olympics stuff. Do I show up with a proper/competitive caliber like a 7saum next year?
 
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Yes, it's very possible to do "well" with a non-magnum 6.5.

My teammate shot the match with a 6.5 Creedmoor and finished 20th.

Glad to hear you guys had fun at least. Smile




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Positive points to the ELR match:
- all prone, no special olympics positions
- unbelievable terrain options for designing stages and placing targets
- reasonable time limits of 2.5 minutes per stage
- some targets were challenging to see, but nothing like a couple of the WTF specials at Steel Safari
- a moving target at 1185 yards...yee.frickin'.haw
- very good ROs
- scoring systems were good, and the hit indicating flashers worked on most of the long targets
- a nice variety of target distances, target locations, and target shapes

Things that could have gone better:
- incorrect distance ranges listed in the shooter's booklet for a few stages, as our squad was hosed being the first on the turkey stage
- stage shooting locations should have been spread out more. I don't like having a 3-stage herd queued up all next to each other. A good walk at high altitude does a body good.
- logistics to get to and from the first day's stage locations weren't good. It's a phenomenal place to shoot, but the 45 minute drive each way is a challenge
 
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