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I've long been intrigued by the DAK trigger system . But, a lot of people I talk to don't like it, and even less understand it. (Even the so called "specialists" at Sig gave me wrong info).

Recently, I acquired a PD DAK gun in .40 and then brought a .357 Sig barrel for it. This has quickly become my favorite Sig. (Except of course, the cost of .357 Sig ammo).

So ... why do some seem to hate the DAK platform?


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I bought a P229R DAK in 2010. It is the first and only DAK I have. I have no problems with it. Would get another gun with DAK if the opportunity arose.
 
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I mean if the price were right. I dont' hate it. I just prefer the DA/SA in the P series.




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I had Sig convert a 229 Elite Dark to DAK and perform an AEP on it. It has the best DA pull of all my guns. I still find it slower for follow up shots because of the long reset. Great action, but I do prefer TDA.


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Largely because they dont undertand it or dont want to change up from their current trigger system, or simply see no merit to it. I felt the same way about HK LEM until I gave it fair shot.


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I think because it's more difficult to shoot rapidly, accurately with it. One can get fast-ish with it. Members here have done it. But it takes practice--and even they weren't able to get quite as fast and accurate with DAK as with, for example, TDA.

I, personally, think it's a great SD trigger, because you have to be very deliberate with it. OTOH: I shoot my new-to-me Colt Defender like nobody's business. On the gripping hand: I touched a couple off a little sooner than I planned with the Defender, yesterday, which never would've happened with a DAK trigger. (That's obviously a practice issue.)

I shot a P220 DAK years ago and shot very well with it. If I came across a nice one for the right price I might maybe could convince myself to go for it.



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^^^ Two prior posts. Yep.

I think it's a fine trigger system. When it first hit the market, a gun writer friend brought in three T&E DAKs for our shooting group to check out. I liked it very much. However, I already had three Sig DA/SA's and wasn't going to replace them with DAK as well as throwing away all my DA/SA training and learning a new system.

Generally, I think a lot of shooters don't like DA/SA for the same reasons. They don't understand how to properly run a DA/SA pistol as well as the advantages. It's a striker world nowadays, just pull the trigger. It's actually a trigger press, but a lot of shooters pull and then complain they can't hit anything.

It's up to the shooter to determine how the trigger WANTS to be worked. Problems arise when the shooter wants to tell the trigger how it SHOULD be manipulated. Too much work for some.


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For many, DAK takes some getting used to. I liked DAK and owned four of them, but could not sense the 'short reset' easily. It wasn't the gun, it was me. The longer reset was less press # anyway so it never bothered me.

I did find the HK LEM to be better for me.

I know a local shop that has a brand new 2017 P239/9mm in DAK at the 2017 price. It's been on display since 2017 but I doubt many recognize what it is. It does tempt me...


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I like the DAK, but striker guns are more to my liking.
 
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I tried it and didn't want to adapt to it after being a longtime Sig DA/SA user. Same goes for SAO Sig's. I had a 220 SAO and got ride of it because it was so different than what I was use to.

For some DAK works, for others not so much.



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I had some DAK Sigs and loved them.
I like a consistent trigger pull (DAK is close enough) as opposed to a DA/SA for carry guns.

I eventually sold the DAKs off when I started my Glock obsession..

I'll agree with the 357sig round, it's a hoot to shoot.
 
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I've got one. I don't hate it, I just don't love it either. Most of my stuff is DA/SA, so I'll stick with that.




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It is interesting. Oddly, I tend to shoot with it really well. It is a bit counter intuitive. The longer reset point all the way out is lighter than the shorter reset point. Seems like it should be the other way around. Secondly, it’s not that much shorter so you wind up going all the way to full reset. Kinda clumsy. It may be better if they just elimanted the second reset totally.

That being said, I liked the P250, but wish it had a DA first shot and f/u shots would have been SA with short reset point.

They should bring something polymer, smaller, and revisit these triggers.
 
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I love the DAK system. I shoot them very well and have had several. If you really want to love it send it to Robert Burke. It is like a whole other pistol after his work on a DAK system.




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I have a P220 Compact SAS with DAK. It’s okay, but I prefer DA/SA. I see how it would be a good SD trigger from a liability standpoint, but I agree it would take practice (for me) to become comfortable with it.


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People don't like it because it is an inferior system that is different than everything else. It was an attempt by SIG to have an alternative to the TDA guns that were loosing LE market share to striker fired and LEM systems. Its awkward, non intuitive, slow and inconsistent at speed.

I know it has its fans, but so does Remington.


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I like the DAK. I am an old guy, and for many years, all I had were a couple of inherited S&W revolvers. The DAK did not require any additional training, it felt wonderful when I got my hands on a P239 DAK at the rental range.

I have a P239 SAS and a P226, both in DAK, and I enjoy shooting them. But I don't carry either, they are just too heavy. It's too bad they didn't put the DAK action in the P290.

I think the people at Sig hate the DAK, too.


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I own two P229R DAKs in .40S&W with XChange kits in 9mm for both. I initially carried the first pistol on duty and off shift in .40. I later found the Xchange kits and carry one of them occasionally.

The DAK is a trigger for a confident and consistent shooter that is able to handle the slightly longer trigger pull. When I shoot these guns fast, I hit low, so I aim higher for rapid shots. Both are amazingly accurate and I even shot one of them at a local match and did well and had more accurate hits.

The better you are with a DAK trigger, the better you will be with any other sort, such as striker fired.


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