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Originally posted by cslinger:
SIG is realeasing the details Monday. From what I gather it will be a voluntary upgrade program at no cost that will replace several parts in the slide and trigger group. Apparently the military M17s already have these.

Does that mean they send us a shipping label and they do the work for free, or that we get the joy of paying 50 bucks plus return shipping so we get a gun that won't shoot kill us if we drop it?

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:
Does that mean they send us a shipping label and they do the work for free, or that we get the joy of paying 50 bucks plus return shipping so we get a gun that won't shoot kill us if we drop it?

You'll find out Monday.

The problem with the P320, compared to something like a Glock, is that too many of the firing components can move on their own. They are only held in position by spring force, rather than something physically blocking them.

And if they do move, the remove spring pressure on the trigger. Just as an HK LEM can get different trigger pulls depending on which firing pin block spring is installed, when the P320 striker block moves, it is taking the force of its own spring off the trigger, lowering the amount of force necessary to get the trigger to move.

However, the right kind of force could simultaneously or sequentially jar the sear then the striker safety without the trigger moving at all. In that case, a tab isn't going to save you.

It would be a mistake for Apex to sell people a "safety upgrade" in the form of a trigger tab if the gun could still fire without trigger movement. Apex would be taking on a responsibility for the drop safety of the P320 that so far has been solely SIG's.

I find it bizarre.

"Drop testing" is, or I thought is, one of the most basic parameters around which ANY modern firearm is designed.

In addition, since they have stated they are experts on the gun and sung the praises of its design, I don't imagine this has done the reputation of Grayguns any favors.

Nice job, SIG.

No idea about shipping. I have read rumors that it will be no cost at all to end user but it will be Monday before any real details.

IMO they would be foolhardy not to make an attempt to get every one back to fix/upgrade if for no other reason to avoid future bad publicity due to an AD. So my guess is they will make it as painless as possible, but then again company's seem to be going full retard these days so it's all wait and see right now.

I think it stems from the regimented drop testing methods that are industry standard not including a drop on the area of issue in the gun. At least that's the official story.

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Originally posted by cslinger:
I think it stems from the regimented drop testing methods that are industry standard not including a drop on the area of issue in the gun. At least that's the official story.

That actually makes sense.

I think it might also have to do with Gaston Glock sacrificing virgins to a dark god or some such. I've heard both sides.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Just don't drop it when loaded.

True of many firearms, and the 320 is no different.

It can be improved. Many can. At what cost to function, should they idiot-proof?

Most who carry and know the 1911 appreciate the 70-series or original better than the schwartz and 80 series "safety enhancements," even though earlier firearms are not "drop proof."

I spent a lot of years falling out of the sky, and after waking in intensive care one fine afternoon, concluded that I'm not drop proof, either. Few things are.

Ignorance is bliss....

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Originally posted by gunguru123:

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Just don't drop it when loaded.

True of many firearms, and the 320 is no different.

It can be improved. Many can. At what cost to function, should they idiot-proof?

Most who carry and know the 1911 appreciate the 70-series or original better than the schwartz and 80 series "safety enhancements," even though earlier firearms are not "drop proof."

I spent a lot of years falling out of the sky, and after waking in intensive care one fine afternoon, concluded that I'm not drop proof, either. Few things are.

Ignorance is bliss....

Indeed.

SIG went to all that work so users don't have to pull the trigger to disassemble the P320, if that isn't idiot proofing a firearm, I don't know what is.

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Originally posted by cslinger:
No idea about shipping. I have read rumors that it will be no cost at all to end user but it will be Monday before any real details.

IMO they would be foolhardy not to make an attempt to get every one back to fix/upgrade if for no other reason to avoid future bad publicity due to an AD. So my guess is they will make it as painless as possible, but then again company's seem to be going full retard these days so it's all wait and see right now.

I hope they throw in a magazine on the deal.

LOL.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by gunguru123:

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Just don't drop it when loaded.

True of many firearms, and the 320 is no different.

It can be improved. Many can. At what cost to function, should they idiot-proof?

Most who carry and know the 1911 appreciate the 70-series or original better than the schwartz and 80 series "safety enhancements," even though earlier firearms are not "drop proof."

I spent a lot of years falling out of the sky, and after waking in intensive care one fine afternoon, concluded that I'm not drop proof, either. Few things are.

Ignorance is bliss....

Indeed.

SIG went to all that work so users don't have to pull the trigger to disassemble the P320, if that isn't idiot proofing a firearm, I don't know what is.

LoL. Nothing to see here folks, only idiots drop loaded guns, just dont keep a round chambered or drop your loaded Sig 320, round chambered, and all is bliss in the world.

Though you have to admit Rhino, pretty ingenious of Sig to develop a gun in which the trigger doesnt have to be pulled to take it down or fire a round. Impressive work!

It's Wednesday. Next Monday, Sig will provide an announcement which details how they will proceed with the issue. Speculation is pointless and won't change the announcement, fix, or how they'll address the issue.

It's five days away, folks. Perhaps it's best to wait until then before having a nervous breakdown, or crucifying someone.

The sky still hasn't fallen.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
It's Wednesday. Next Monday, Sig will provide an announcement which details how they will proceed with the issue. Speculation is pointless and won't change the announcement, fix, or how they'll address the issue.

It's five days away, folks. Perhaps it's best to wait until then before having a nervous breakdown, or crucifying someone.

The sky still hasn't fallen.

What are you talking about? You're the only one getting emotional here. Everyone else is "handling" this discussion without getting upset about it.

Although SIG talked about the option of a tabbed trigger safety in their advertising, I have never seen one, a picture of one (apart from SIG advertising), or even read about a P320 with one on the internet.

My understanding that this option was going to be offered only to law enforcement agencies that demanded it, and none did.

In the SIG department I am down to my good old 229/4 caliber "set" and my 3 week old P320CA-9-TACOPS. The 320 has had only 350 rounds through it up till this AM, and none through the Tundra.
And since the next real announcement on this matter from SIG will be next Monday I had to get out of the house and put another 200 rounds down range. Indoors. It is 107º!
The 320 ran flawless plus it remains un-dropped since I bought/shot it. Plus I came up with a temp fix.
The 320 has a lanyard attach point the heel of the grip module. It worked for the Canadian Mounties, it should work until SIG brings out a permanent fix.

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Originally posted by RX-79G:


What are you talking about? You're the only one getting emotional here. Everyone else is "handling" this discussion without getting upset about it.

So sorry. I was speaking English. Was it hard for you to understand?

Upset? Who's been posting day-in and day-out for 30 pages, nearly every other post? Ain't me, mate. That would be you, who has been told to cool it by the mods repeatedly. Probably will be again.

Chill your jets, accident investigator, and act like one.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by RX-79G:


What are you talking about? You're the only one getting emotional here. Everyone else is "handling" this discussion without getting upset about it.

So sorry. I was speaking English. Was it hard for you to understand?

Upset? Who's been posting day-in and day-out for 30 pages, nearly every other post? Ain't me, mate. That would be you, who has been told to cool it by the mods repeatedly. Probably will be again.

Chill your jets, accident investigator, and act like one.

Good grief, no kidding. I have no dog in this fight but want to echo this sentiment. I've just been reading, and RX doesn't read too favorably. Push the keyboard tray in, man. Power down the smartphone.

On topic: I would have bought a 320 a few years back were I not so heavily invested in the Glock platform. The trigger on the one I tried impressed the heck out of me. If the issue is at all related to the trigger, I just hope that whatever fix they come up with preserves that sweet trigger pull, tab or no. Which, honestly, is secondary to hoping that Sig comes up with a fix for the customers that's fair.

If SIG offered to swap out my 320 and mags for a 2022 with the same number of mags I'd jump at the chance.

How many 320 threads do we need...