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I would like to see a group like TTAG that has some credibility test an early-production P320 with an original trigger. If an early P320 failed the drop test, it would indicate the design was flawed from inception. If an early P320 passed the drop test, it would validate the design, but indicate that Sig had subsequently allowed implementation of the design to veer off course at some point. | |||
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I am curious about this as well. Why are we just NOW hearing about this? The gun's been out for, what, almost 4 years now? And suddenly within a few weeks everyone's gun is doing it? And with half a million-ish units in circulation? Those odds just seem...odd. Has something subtly changed in newer models or was it just chance that led to this sudden rash of discoveries in such a short span of time and not in the intervening three-ish years? ---------------------------- Chuck Norris put the laughter in "manslaughter" Educating the youth of America, one declension at a time. | |||
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| We gonna get some oojima in this house!  |
It could be something as simple as the trigger grew in weight from prototype to production. The triggers look like they have some reinforcement on the backside that may not have been there originally. ----------------------------------------------------------- TCB all the time... | |||
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Considering that SIG is both the originator and developer, why would this be of interest? I get the idea of a good design modified until it isn't, but it would be hard to argue that a good design was lost if the same people were involved the whole time. If it was good at one time, they couldn't have been fully aware of that fact since they let it evolve away from safety. | |||
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People are curious and ask questions. | |||
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Because somebody lost a contract. Funny, I clued them onto the AD potential of the G19 in 1988 after a few of us in the office got them on the first run. One guy even shot his bed slingshotting. Of course they claimed no problem but the guns came back with gold trigger bars v. the original black. Finally in 19992 they had the big upgrade/recall. ---------------The Answer Is There Is No Answer--------------- | |||
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Diversified Hobbyist |
I posed this as a possibility in the long P320 Drop Safety thread. The adverse trigger, the one with the block at the front, appears to have more mass than the original issued trigger. ----------------------------------- Regards, Steve The anticipation is often greater than the actual reward | |||
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In the software world, a fellow named Eric S Raymond wrote a book called The "Cathedral and the Bazaar" back in 1999. He formulated something he called Linus' Law: "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow" Just like a popular piece of software that goes viral for lack of a better term, the popularity of the pistol has skyrocketed. Combine that popularity with earning multiple high-profile contracts led to LOTS of interest in the pistol. Where there is interest, there are LOTS of eyeballs. The more eyeballs are looking at the pistol, the higher the odds get that these issues surface. | |||
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Well, they DID call it an ADVERSE trigger! Maybe they'll tell us we should have known!! ********************** 53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Read Quod Apostolici Muneris (1878) LEO XIII. This Pope warned us about the Socialists before most folks knew what a Socialist was... | |||
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| Diversified Hobbyist |
I see what you did there (probably should have added a smiley). FWIW: The mass of the original, as issued trigger in my P320C (purchased Jan, 2015) is 14 grams. It is NOT the later adverse trigger. I have no way to compare this to any other P320 triggers, however. ----------------------------------- Regards, Steve The anticipation is often greater than the actual reward | |||
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| Grandiosity is a sign of mental illness |
More. | |||
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| Grandiosity is a sign of mental illness |
Indeed. And design changes, even minor ones, can introduce problems that weren't there before. But apparently we're only allowed to ask what he thinks we should be allowed to ask. | |||
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Christ, lighten up. I only asked because I was wondering why gc70 was interested since it is a 100% in house design. Did you read me arguing with his answer? | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
RX-79G, in all these threads about this issue, you are the author of your own problems. Really, you are. I have no emotional investment in the P320, so take it from me- you need to step back and reassess your approach. Other wise, you're going to keep butting heads with other members. It's as plain as day to me. Word to the wise. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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The P320 design is interesting, particularly because it is not a thinly-disguised Glock clone. Sig also showed a lot of creativity in developing striker-fired (P320) and hammer-fired (P250) designs within the same modular framework. So, curiosity without an ulterior motive. | |||
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| We gonna get some oojima in this house! |
For clarity, that's not my quote. ----------------------------------------------------------- TCB all the time... | |||
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I get that some people do not like my adamance or frequency. But I am not being rude to anyone and I do not understand why anyone should be rude to me in turn. Nor do I understand why you allow people to use personal attacks to signal their displeasure, as they have from day one of the P320 drop thread. So I will make myself scarce. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
You want me to babysit the members? You want me to jump in every time one member says something harsh or sarcastic to another member? You're dreaming. All of this is vaguely familiar. Sometime in the past few years, there was some other issue where you appeared to be obsessed with, and I seem to recall we had a conversation similar to this one. You've been allowed to put up post after post after post on this subject and no one in any authority around here has stopped you. How about taking a bit of responsibility for this? You think members are going to look at another member who is pounding a subject into the ground, and they aren't going to at some point start putting up snarky remarks. You need a bit of perspective. I've tried to help you in that respect, but you're not in the least responsible for calling such attention to yourself, are you? | |||
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What I don't understand, and probably never will, is why whatever I'm doing (posting adamantly and frequently, by my own admission) is disruptive enough to your forum that it requires babysitting with a post addressing me directly, but the personal attacks that are the other half of the disruption are not worth your mention. Silence is assent. People could be nicer when talking about inanimate objects and corporations. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
Well, you haven't been silenced- quite far from it, actually. You may be surprised to learn that I've read your posts that deal with the subject at hand, and you make valid points. I haven't stepped in to keep anyone off of you because- even though their behavior is not what I would want- the amount you posted on the subject was sure to draw attention. Before a couple of days ago, I had not bothered to open the main thread on this subject. By the time I took a look, you guys were already rumbling. | |||
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