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Ah, and the conspiracy theories start to come out. You'll never see them in the mainstream media, folks, but you better believe they'll be all over the place this weekend at Bernie's! After all, ProPublica says the vote totals could have been changed, and it seems awful darn strange that Buttigieg (through the magic of Iowa's vote counting rules, of course) got as many delegates as Bern did.
 
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So the Democratic Party in Iowa has officially reviewed the votes. The highlights -

- after adjustment, Buttigieg gets 14 delegates, Sanders 12, Warren 8, Biden 6 and Klobuchar, who the media pimped as a breakout star, got 1.

- The Associated Press insists that it still can't declare a winner because the results "may not be fully accurate and are still subject to potential revision."

- Sanders is demanding a partial recanvass.

- They're still trying to blame Trump supporters for overloading the vote count phone line.

Buttigieg Wins Most Iowa Delegates After Party Reviews Votes, 2/9/2020, at http://www.yahoo.com/news/butt...gates-232800607.html

By now, ever senior member of the Democrat Party in Iowa must be praying for an even greater clusterfuck to happen in New Hampshire. It's the only way they'll ever live this mess down.

By the way - does anyone know whether a legal process for a partial recanvass even existsn in Iowa, or is Sanders demanding the same special favor that Gore was demanding in Florida during the national election?
 
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https://hotair.com/headlines/a...-sheets-emails-show/

Those records, known as “caucus math worksheets,” could not be changed even if they contained mistakes , according to the lawyer for the Iowa Democratic Party, because they were a legal record and altering them would be a crime.

“The incorrect math on the Caucus Math Worksheets must not be changed to ensure the integrity of the process,” wrote the party lawyer, Shayla McCormally, according to an email sent by Troy Price, the chairman of the party, to its central committee members. The lawyer said correcting the math would introduce “personal opinion” into the official record of results…

“It is the legal voting record of the caucus, like a ballot,” Ms. McCormally wrote in her opinion. “The seriousness of the record is made clear by the language at the bottom stating that any misrepresentation of the information is a crime. Therefore, any changes or tampering with the sheet could result in a claim of election interference or misconduct.”

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incorrect math stands to avoid "election interference"

FUBAR

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...cuses-democrats.html

Internal Iowa Democratic Party emails over the weekend revealed that although the party was taking a second look at some problematic precincts, close to 5 percent of the total, it would not fix errors that occurred on the official handwritten tally sheets from precincts.

Those records are known as “caucus math worksheets.” The party only corrected discrepancies between the data as recorded on the worksheets and what was officially reported in public releases of the results.

The party could not change even blatant miscalculations on the worksheets, according to a lawyer for the party, because they were a legal record and altering them would be a crime.

“The incorrect math on the Caucus Math Worksheets must not be changed to ensure the integrity of the process,” wrote the party lawyer, Shayla McCormally, according to an email sent by Troy Price, the chairman of the party, to its central committee members. The lawyer said correcting the math would introduce “personal opinion” into the official record of results.

Thanks to greater transparency in reporting the caucus results this year, outsiders were able to identify internal inconsistencies. The New York Times reported last week that some precincts, for example, had awarded more delegates to candidates than they were allotted.

In addition, caucus “captains” for individual candidates photographed the worksheets in their precincts and shared them internally with their campaigns. Those photographs provided further examples of problems. The most blatant were errors in adding up votes for candidates, which take place in two rounds, and miscalculations when using a formula that translates raw votes to “state delegate equivalents.”

But because the caucus chair and secretary of each precinct had certified the results on the worksheets, along with representatives of candidates, the documents could not be readjusted without violating election law, the state party lawyer said.

“The I.D.P.’s role is to facilitate the caucus and tabulate the results,” Ms. McCormally continued. “Any judgment of math miscalculations would insert personal opinion into the process by individuals not at the caucus and could change the agreed upon results. That action would be interfering with the caucus’ expression of their preferences. There are various reasons that the worksheets have errors and may appear to not be accurate, however changing the math would change the information agreed upon and certified by the caucusgoers.”

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math errors = personal opinion ??
 
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The fix is in; I hope Sanders blows a fuse over this. The reality is it won't matter because the DNC will never let Sanders be their man. I cannot WAIT for the infighting between the traditional democRATS and the new socialist order.




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These people are fracking insane



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So, correct math is now “personal opinion” to these loons like “gender?”

Gee, I wonder if “personal opinion” was involved in the f#%d up wrong math? Roll Eyes




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math errors = personal opinion ??



It makes more sense when viewed from their perspective. Leftists rely on feelings and not reality. How they feel determines "what is" in their minds.

If they feel 2+2=17 then that's all that matters. The reality of 4 does not factor into that in any way.

You could show them on a calculator, do the math on paper, and let leading math experts explain things. None of it matters as their feelings trump all.


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I understand the calculation sheets are legal documents and can't be altered. However one would think on a manually tabulated sheet there would have to be some method to log a correction. an addendum a corrected sheet some other process that would show that an error was caught and corrected.

I can't believe anybody would be so stupid as to set up a process that would allow an obvious error to propagate simply because it's written on a legal document. If someone wrote "Trump Wins" on it would he win the Democratic caucus???

If that is the case and is common practice in our government A) it explains a LOT, B) it needs to be corrected immediately, and C) everything needs to be reviewed to assure someone's unintentional or intentional mistake isn't running us into the ground.




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I dunno - it seems like a holdover from the "boss" days of the 19th Century. If the state party bosses can control who runs the cauci and signs off on the tally sheets, then anyone trying to ensure the cauci were fair would have to police every caucus in person and couldn't go after the state party functionaries if they found shenanigans after the fact.
 
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https://www.siouxlandproud.com...-of-invalid-results/

SIOUX CITY, Iowa (KCAU) – Woodbury County is one of several Iowa precincts where irregularities in the caucus process were noted.

While caucus leaders caught this discrepancy at Precinct 20 and have reported it to the Democratic National Committee in Des Moines, it’s errors like these that are calling the caucus process into question.

When caucus night kicked off in Woodbury County, it started on a high note.

“2,500 new voter registrations! This was the best caucus we ever had and I’ve been doing caucuses for 25 years,” said Teresa Wolff, Woodbury County Democratic Vice-Chairperson.

Record-breaking turnout paired with distinguished debate, leading local Democrats to believe this was going to be Iowa’s most successful caucus yet.

“It was the smoothest caucus I’ve ever been apart of,” said Jeremy Dumkrieger, Woodbury County Democratic Chairperson.

“We had no problems at any of our caucus sites,” said Wolff.

“It was great. If it wasn’t for that app we wouldn’t be talking about this,” said Dumkrieger.

Oh, the app, a new one, designed for report results became a failing app and clogged phone lines increasing the potential for error.

“It was chaotic and you had people calling in making prank phone calls and everyone was stressing out,” said Dumkrieger. “It’s very simple to write down the wrong number and transpose it when you’re trying to hurry to get a number in.”

One of those errors skewing the results of Sioux City’s Precinct 20.

“Things move very fast during the caucuses and maybe they made a paper mistake,” said Wolff.

Somewhere from the time the votes were counted, to the time the votes were reported three days later, results from Precinct 20 were copied from Precinct 5 .

The results reported Joe Biden as the winner of a precinct that overwhelmingly voted for Bernie Sanders.

“We had noticed a couple of things that needed to be corrected we understand that people are human and we notified Des Moines and they take care of it,” said Wolff.

Woodbury County Democrats, not sure what exactly went wrong, but they insist that the mistake wasn’t the result of intentional meddling.

“We’re humans, everyone is human. A little minor math error could have a consequence of a delegate and if people made a mistake then they double-check,” said Dumkrieger.

As of Friday night, it’s unknown if Precinct 20 will be subject to a recanvass, but as other precincts across the state get doubled checked, further delays will cast a shadow of doubt over the future of the ‘First in the Nation’ caucuses.

“It’s our choice whether we go to balloting or not as a state, and we caucus. That’s how we do it,” said Wolff.

“I don’t know what’s going to happen in the future,” said Dumkrieger.

It’s unclear when exactly the outcome of the caucuses will be settled.

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There's now evidence that there are some precincts still fully missing from the IDP results. And that other precincts have been double counted.

And this isn't just in Sioux City,
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The IDP results are NOT "100% reporting."

https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1226324106343337985
 
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Wow. Just wow. I think Mr. Dumkreiger left the "b" out of his last name.
 
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So... Sanders had his votes redistributed?
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Democrat Party Successfully Rigs Iowa Caucuses; "Final" Results Claim That Bootygieg Won 14 Delegates to Sanders' 12

Sanders beat Bootygag by six thousand votes in, you know, actual votes. Sanders won 43,671 to 37,557 in the "first alignment" of votes and was still ahead of Bootygag 45,826 votes to 43,195 in the "second alignment," after voters from "nonviable candidates" shifted to other candidates (and mostly shifted to Bootygag).

Result? Bootygag wins.

Somehow.

The Iowa Democratic Party announced Sunday that Pete Buttigieg has won 14 delegates and Bernie Sanders will be awarded 12, following the party's disastrous first-in-the-nation caucuses last week that have been plagued with apparent inaccuracies in crucial voting data.

Less than an hour after the results posted, the Sanders campaign announced that it would seek a partial recanvass of some precincts in which there were apparent irregularities, Fox News has confirmed. The Iowa Democratic Party has allowed campaigns to call for a recanvass until Monday at 1:00 p.m. ET.

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