FWIW, the detective with the 870 was standing at the corner of the living room and hallway, looking down the hallway towards the suspect. His round skimmed the hallway wall and struck the upper leading corner of the HVAC return duct. It deflected towards the back door the suspect had just entered through.

My partner was standing behind my shoulder. He missed the suspect with his 9mm.

Real life (LE or other) shootings are not like hollywood...

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J-Frames may be convenient, but they are becoming painful, for my aging hands, and they are a less-“natural” fit, so require live-fire training, for me to maintain confidence in my accuracy. So, I have tended to use medium- and medium-large-frame revolvers.

I have found that some of the Paqmeyer grips make the j-frame much more manageable, but then you end up with a larger gun.

The Paqmeyer Compaq grips are particularly good for me.

Sigmund, have you used any of the Zeta speed loaders? I have strips that are probably 15-20 years old and are peeling/cracking. Time for an upgrade.