Specifically on a '69 A12 Roadrunner? These are the partial VINS stamped on the engine, on top, and the tranny below. I know they were never always perfect, and the engine looks fine, but are the tranny over strikes an issue regarding originality? Thanks for looking.

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69 A12 Roadrunner

IF they are real the 9 is 1969, A is Lynch Road Plant, the last 6 are the sequence/production number of the car.

Stamps could be off some back then they were not CNC so variances in depth, and some double strikes possible, it's also possible the trans is a warranty replacement stamped by a dealer, you'd want the papers to prove that too.

Interesting thread about mopar engine vins with references to what they should be like.

https://www.forbbodiesonly.com...orrect.134665/page-2

Send a message over to Graveyard Cars - Mark Worman, that guy knows everything there is about decoding VIN's on Mopars.

https://www.graveyardcarz.com/


contact@graveyardcarz.com

Thanks HRK. I was considering contacting Worman, but I’m certain he gets these questions all the time. Seems, from what I’m learning the stampings aren’t a concern if the casting numbers are naturally, chronologically sound with the build date of the car. Thank you.

apf383: I have a brother in law who restores Mopars. He has done probably 10 complete restorations of those 69/70 Mopar cars and has at least 5 currently. I sent those 2 pics to him and asked him your original question. His reply was not favorable:

"The easy stamp is the transmission, its a train wreck. A fake and a bad one. The engine stamp is questionable/doubtful. All stamps are in a straight line, the line might be slanted a little, but straight. These are not. Notice the first 2 and compare it to the other 2. The first one is crooked and not on the same plane as the other.

The 0 has a ghost line or two over the top of the 0, indicting a re-stamp. The right upper side of the 9 and the bottom left of the leg of the A are faint or missing. This is inconsistent with the stamp process, of one hard hit of the stamp. The whole digit should be consistent. On the 9 especially you have a thin/faint line on the upper right side with a deep impression on both sides of the faint part.

If someone is selling the A12 as numbers matching walk away quickly. I wouldn't trust this car, what else was done to it, etc.

A potential buyer should look for the 2 hidden VIN numbers, the fender tag, maybe the build sheet (found in various interior locations) and any paperwork/documentation. A12 cars are bringing good money but are easy to fake."

Take that for what its worth, but I would trust his judgement on anything Mopar related.

Thanks for the help Sigfan, and pls thank him for me. Several other red flags have appeared discouraging the purchase. Its a nice car, but for the asking price its not nice enough. Thanks again!

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