why do you suppose Star Trek has such a huge mega following, but B.G. , no where near the following?
not even close

The original Star Trek used social concerns of the day and presented (mostly) real characters.

Battlestar Gallactica (the original series) was a cartoon with human players. The reboot was unwatchable and incomprehensible.

The BSG reboot had/has a pretty sizable following. I thought it was danged good.

The original Star Trek was unique for its time, and didn't really catch on until some time after it had been cancelled. I think it appealed to a lot of kids/nerds who probably felt like not much else on TV interested them.

As mentioned, ST reflected the political and social concerns of the day. It was the Cold War, there was a space race, and there were driving visions of technological and social advances to look forward to.

Now in between Facebook and Instagram we binge watch the latest socialist propaganda as presented through the lens of the new-gender-identifying criminal while the concepts of national pride or moral values are made literal bad guys. Who cares what the show is; it will be replaced next season with a more extreme version.

But the BSG reboot was very well done, although the season on the planet was slow/boring, and the ending was lame for a show that had done so well up to that point.

I’m still hoping LMS is picked back up. Load up LMS and ST:TOS for good binge watching.

As far as I can remember, I grew up watching B&W TV and ST was innovative, crestive and I now eealise it had some elements of what I later discovered as the D&D formula of characters in a party. All in all it was quite naive and perfect without any of the politicsl background that made absolutely no sense in my background.

The original BSG had a way lighter tone and left no mark in my youth as TV series go. I do have fond memories of Lost in Space although I can't remember a thing but the robot and the mean doctor.

As I read somewhere not too long ago, Sci Fi fans have to put with a ton of crap before they get a decent fix. The original BSG was pretty much that but for the tight uniforms
The new BSG was a different story.... and tighter uniforms

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The BSG reboot could have been really good. Instead, it was slow and plodding, especially when everybody was a cylon needed way more combat, way less intrigue.

Star Trek has TOS (3 seasons) Next Gen (7), DS9 (7), Voyager (7?), and Enterprise (4), running from 1966 through 2012 or so. They also had 10 movies ( I am counting neither the JJtrek movies nor the new PC garbage on pay per view). It was the benchmark by which all other sci-fi was judged (unless you are/were a Doctor Who fan). I loved the character development and continuity within the greater Trek universe.

I loved the original BSG season, and like most people, I do my best to pretend tbe BSG 1980 nonsense never happened. The BSG reboot took me a long time to get into. The pilot movie was excellent, though I never could watch the show when it aired. The human cylons were too much for me - I couldn't suspend my disbelief enough to accept cybernetic beings that were indistinguishable from humans. Also, it was too gritty for me. NOBODY was a truly good person, except for Hera's father (Agathon?). They were all just bad people; though, I suppose, genocide might do that to a people. In that way, I suppose it was nelievable.

I like the reboot now, but it is still not as good as the best Trek (Just watched the Next Gen episodes Half a Life, The Wounded, and Yesterday's Enterprise - these are some of the greatest sci fi shows of all time).

At its best, the BSG reboot was really good. At its best, Trek was truly great.

BSG for me, (2nd. Edition).

It had more of a realistic space scenario than ST.

just my opinion.

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Originally posted by Sunset_Va:
BSG for me, (2nd. Edition).

It had more of a realistic space scenario than ST.

just my opinion.

Well, yeah.

And it also had Katee Sackhoff.

Among others.

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Originally posted by fpuhan:
The original Star Trek used social concerns of the day and presented (mostly) real characters.

Battlestar Gallactica (the original series) was a cartoon with human players. The reboot was unwatchable and incomprehensible.

I disagree. The original I watched in the 80's as an early teen and it was okay. The reboot I've watched the complete series twice in the past 6 years and when I'm bored often think of starting it over.

Reboot babes.

When I was just out of college I went to work for the company that built a lot of the electronic and display equipment for the original BSG. I started there like three months before the series aired and saw a bunch of posters for it on the walls. I'm thinking "What the hell is a 'Battlestar'?" So even though I wasn't personally involved in the construction of that equipment, I had something of an emotional investment in the original. And it was kind of a cool story, even if was a bit cheesy. Oh, and Athena was very hot.

The reboot never really did anything for me. Starbuck and Boomer are GIRLS now? WTF? Yeah, Katee is hot, but she never really got to flaunt it very much on BSG. Now, Longmire on the other hand...

So which was better, ST or BSG? That's easy: Babylon 5.

I liked the 80s BSG as a kid. It was campy and family-friendly. At the time, I didn't really have a concept of what genocide was, and the series did nothing to educate me on that.

The reboot certainly did.

As an adult, the original BSG was horrible. I couldn't even enjoy it for its campiness, like the old Batman series. The new BSG was much grimmer and definitely more for adults. You also really got the feeling humanity was on the verge of extinction.

Yeah, some seasons kinda sucked. And the ending was......well, "rushed" seems too understated. LOL But all in all, it is far better than most TV sci-fi.

Sackhoff is not a bad looking woman, and clearly she can be dolled up to look "hot", but I much preferred Park.

Even Star Trek "current" has gone to crap, Scott Bakula was worse captain than deep space 9

big Star Trek fan,

loved it as a kid and watched it whenever it was on TV (TOS)
even loved the first movie when I saw it on the big screen

watched BSG as a teen, and loved it,
thought it was awesome,
even liked Buck Rogers,

I still think ST TOS is one of the best shows produced, I still watch it when it is on TV

tried to watch both BSG and Buck Rogers, and could not get thru an entire episode,

cheesy, stupid, you name it, even with the hot chicks,


the new BSG I thought was really good, but did have some slow episodes,


JMHO, Babylon 5 rates in between the 2

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Originally posted by RAEIndustries:
Even Star Trek "current" has gone to crap, Scott Bakula was worse captain than deep space 9

Agreed, but I'd suffer through Bakula just to see a little more Jolene Blalock. Decontamination chamber, anyone?

PON FARR!

Both series have had ups and downs.

ST has a larger following and I like some of the original movies and reboot movies. Most of the Star Trek TV shows have sucked IMO.

BSG reboot had a lot of good stuff going and overall I liked it A LOT. The ending was soft and 'meh', but overall I think it was great.

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Originally posted by rusbro:
The BSG reboot had/has a pretty sizable following. I thought it was danged good.

The BSG reboot was very good. Got hooked on it watching it at a buddy's place. Ended-up owning all the seasons on DVD.

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:

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Originally posted by RAEIndustries:
Even Star Trek "current" has gone to crap, Scott Bakula was worse captain than deep space 9

Agreed, but I'd suffer through Bakula just to see a little more Jolene Blalock. Decontamination chamber, anyone?

Yeah, she was easy on the eyes. However, this is one of the many reasons that I disliked ST:ENT. They eschewed good stories and plotlines in favor of nerdbait (the gratuitous slathering on of KY jelly "Decon gel" over Blalock's scantily-clad body, and the 'sex therapy' crap in a later season). The result was cheap viewing. She could have had a great character; instead, they used her to show off as much skin and underboob as they could get away with. Even Blalock complained about this.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Both series have had ups and downs.

ST has a larger following and I like some of the original movies and reboot movies. Most of the Star Trek TV shows have sucked IMO.

BSG reboot had a lot of good stuff going and overall I liked it A LOT. The ending was soft and 'meh', but overall I think it was great.

I don't have One Favorite Food. I love seafood, pizza, Chinese, Italian, German, etc. I couldn't pick just one to eat exclusively for the rest of my life.

Likewise, I don't really have One Favorite Sci-Fi show. I love Star Trek (Next Gen, DS9, about 2 dozen Voyager eps, maybe 2 dozen Enterprise eps, and 4-5 TOS eps (I've seen them so many time that I am bored with them by now) ). It benefits from a vast history of continuity (damn you prequels).

I love Babylon 5, thought it's a very different flavor of show. It's less 'shiny/new,' and more realistic, without devolving to the really gritty depressing vibe of the BSG reboot.

BSG has some really good elements. Their FTL drives work really differently. In Star Trek/Wars, they travel really REALLY fast from Point A to Point B like driving really fast on a highway, passing slower drivers (going at sub-light speed). In B5, they use a separate dimension (they access this dimension via jump gates or integral jump drives). It's like jumping on a people-mover in an airport or a high-occupancy carpool lane that other cars can't access. You travel from Point A to Point B, but in a separate dimension than the people just walking or driving on the regular road. In BSG, they simply disappear from Point A, and spontaneously reappear at Point B. They don't traverse the space between the two points, and there could a literal planet or star between the two points. It is a very novel concept.

I also like the Combat Information Center on BSG. They have really cool sounds, klaxons, Dradis (radar) sounds, etc. It has a very realistic feel. It is much more real (to me, at least) than Star Trek's really shiney bridge, with limited tactical displays, one dude operating ALL the ship's weapons, etc.

The level of 'realism' is also impressive, IMO. The Raptors and Vipers look like F-16s and Apaches on a US airbase.

Overall, they did a great job with the BSG reboot. It naturally couldn't have the same old cheesy feel of the original (this isn't 1978 anymore). They really captured the desperation and the tendency to play fast and loose with their morals after 99.999999% of their people were murdered (as Admiral Kane, said, they had to survive first; only after could they have the luxury of their morals). It was more depressing than I would have liked, as they seemed to spend more time killing other humans than they spent killing cylons. Of course, this lends to the desperate feel to the show (fleeing with less than 50,000 humans pursued by a ruthless enemy - I can see why they would envy the dead.

They got more right than they got wrong, IMO.