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Originally posted by Chowser:
And I did not hear New Order's Blue Monday at all in the movie. They just used it for the trailer. That's one of the reasons I went. I love New Order. lol

Seriously? That was the best thing about the trailer. They paid the licensing fee to use the song; they should have included it in the film.

The year is almost over and this was definitely the worst movie I've seen. Certainly two hours too long (it's 2.5 hours in total length), it's an absolute mess! Silly, an incomprehensible plot, and wasted talent. The first WW movie was somewhat interesting. This was a sleep aid.

HBO Max. The plot gimmick was unintelligible. Don't want to get into specific criticisms due to this being a No Spoilers thread, but I found this to be maybe the worst sequel ever to an origin story movie that I liked. (Well, maybe excluding "Son of Kong".)

Sounds like the best thing about the movie was:

1. Gal Gadot

2. A theme song that was a hook in the promotional material but, not used in the movie itself.

I've read that the villain is modeled after President Trump. Is that correct?

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Originally posted by benny6:
I've read that the villain is modeled after President Trump. Is that correct?

He's a TV personality motivational speaker with swoopy blond hair...

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Originally posted by YellowJacket:

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Originally posted by benny6:
I've read that the villain is modeled after President Trump. Is that correct?

He's a TV personality motivational speaker with swoopy blond hair...

Maybe in those broad parameters, but in every other way he’s nothing like DJT, so no I don’t think he’s modeled after him or supposed to represent him in any way.

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Originally posted by Dwill104:

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Originally posted by YellowJacket:

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Originally posted by benny6:
I've read that the villain is modeled after President Trump. Is that correct?

He's a TV personality motivational speaker with swoopy blond hair...

Maybe in those broad parameters, but in every other way he’s nothing like DJT, so no I don’t think he’s modeled after him or supposed to represent him in any way.

I agree that I really didn't think so while watching. And in MY view of DJT, he's not like that. But I have no doubt that the leftard writers of the movie do see DJT as having those characteristics. Swindler, liar, TV charlatan, seducer, etc. I think the hair was the most overt thing. Pascal looks really weird with blond hair.

Plus, the director said so but more the pre-President Trump (billionaire agomaniac) than Presiden Trump (literally Hitler.): https://people.com/movies/wond...dro-pascals-villain/

Man this movie was bad and I don’t usually say that often. No wonder they released it free on HBO.

I assume the Wokeness is strong?

No, not really. Nothing overt that I can recall.

It's not bad because it's full of wokeness... It's bad in the old fashioned way of bad movies sucking: bad CGI, bad acting, bad plot, bad dialogue, etc.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
No, not really. Nothing overt that I can recall.

It's not bad because it's full of wokeness... It's bad in the old fashioned way of bad movies sucking: bad CGI, bad acting, bad plot, bad dialogue, etc.

I think they went over the top a bit with "most men are pigs" by the way guys catcall at and even get handsy with Diana and then Kristen Wiig's character.

And it's over the top anti-gun, imo. She blatantly says "I hate guns" at one point and then they emphasize her lassoing guns away from people a lot during the movie. At one point, Chris Pine grabs a gun and is about to shoot someone and then realizes it and frustratingly casts it aside as he remembers his girlfriend told him he can't do that.

But I agree that's not WHY it's bad.

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Originally posted by benny6:
I've read that the villain is modeled after President Trump. Is that correct?

Director/writer Patty Jenkins said in a few interviews, that the character was 'inspired' by DJT (perhaps red meat for the press), however what's actually on the screen doesn't make any connection, resemblance or, notions other than the hair.

My understanding they tried to jam EVERY. SINGLE. 80's theme/trope into the movie, giving the impression that the era was ten-solid years of crazes & trends after another.

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Originally posted by YellowJacket:

I think they went over the top a bit with "most men are pigs" by the way guys catcall at and even get handsy with Diana and then Kristen Wiig's character.

I didn't notice it so much with Diana, but it certainly did happen with Wiig's character, especially as the movie progressed. But I believe that was intended to be the drawback to her wish. (She wanted attention, but eventually ended up getting way more attention than she wanted.)

It even showed women being enthralled by her too, like the dressing room lady.

And the handsy drunk guy was there to serve as a blunt force instrument for character development, first demonstrating just how timid she was and giving her a glimpse of Diana's power and a desire to have it, and later as a means of showing how much she had changed/fallen. (With the homeless guy in both scenes really beating you over the head with the message, just to make it blatant and ensure nobody missed out on the not-so-subtle point... Not exactly nuanced filmmaking.)

So it didn't strike me as some targeted dig towards all men. But who knows. The writing was such a mess that it's hard to tell exactly what they intended.

The most accurate review I have seen so far:

" WW84 is so bad, people are walking out of their house..."

This Wonder Woman was done by Patty Jenkins and the Justice League rewrite team. I'm not sure it had a good chance. WW3 has been green lit and will be interesting to see which pushy they take, but this was way too long and there's no way Steve Trevor's return would have been acceptable if it was a woman.

I watched it for free on HBO Max and I still want a refund.

It was awful.

Gal Gadot is beautiful.

The 80's was pretty awful in retrospect, too.

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Originally posted by DanH:
This Wonder Woman was done by Patty Jenkins and the Justice League rewrite team. I'm not sure it had a good chance. WW3 has been green lit and will be interesting to see which pushy they take, but this was way too long and there's no way Steve Trevor's return would have been acceptable if it was a woman.

I'd almost bet it got green lit because of 84. And by that I mean there is so little new content (major films) that 84 made money already. So the studio got the benefit, after a shit film, of a pandemic.

In the last 7-8 months I have seen 3 "new" decent films. One a solid "decent" in Bubbles speak, and that was Greyound with Hanks on that Apple service. The Banker (Anthony Mackie and Samuel L. Jackson) which was surprisingly good. Mostly due to Jackson. And then the film I thought was stunning, that many did not care for, Tenet.

OK, this was funny to me.




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