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I swear I had
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Originally posted by 220-9er:
Al Jr. is a sad story. Hard to say if it's really over yet as he seems to still have setbacks, and he's way beyond his driving days or even being able to leverage his name to make a buck now. Another, what could have been story. I think he's basically a good guy that had the talent, he just went off the rails for too long.


I haven’t got to that point in the book, but the stress at Penske at the time must have been massive. He goes from 94 winning Indy and the championship, gets bumped with the whole Penske team for the 95 Indy 500, loses to Jacques Villeneuve for the 95 title, and then goes through Penske’s worst run in the series sticking with Goodyear tires and a chassis/engine program that drops them to the bottom.

The death count during that time was also the most extreme since the 60’s where people died every week, and that goes for both CART and IRL. Scott Brayton and Jeff Krosnoff in 1996 along with Gonzalo Rodriguez and Greg Moore in 1999 (who was going to Penske in 2000 with Gil de Ferran). All that pressure with both series in a race to the bottom could not have helped Little Al.
 
Posts: 4610 | Location: Kansas City, MO | Registered: May 28, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Little Al was my favorite driver back in the day. I was disappointed when he turned down Benneton's F1 offer. If I remember right he would have been teamed up with Schumy at the time. What might have been.
 
Posts: 484 | Location: Michigan | Registered: November 07, 2001Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Just because you can,
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A sad day, ten years ago today, when Dan Wheldon was killed in a terrible accident at LVMS.
Racer Magazine has a good series of articles about various aspects of that event.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/...years-later-2460694/


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Posts: 9985 | Location: NE GA | Registered: August 22, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Compared with NASCAR at Kansas and F1 in Austin, NBCSports had a nice article that also ties into the retched attendance figures at NASCAR ovals, and much of it applies to IndyCar as well:

https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2...ndards-on-promotion/

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Kansas takeaways: Holding tracks to a 'higher standard' on promotion - NBC

KANSAS CITY, Kan. — The contrast was jarring Sunday.

More than 140,000 people attended the Formula One race at Circuit of the Americas, while the crowd for Kansas Speedway’s Cup playoff race appeared to be no more than a third that size.

Look beyond those numbers to a deeper divide. COTA hosted an event. Kansas Speedway held a race.

“I feel like why are people at COTA for Formula One?” Kyle Busch said before Sunday’s Cup race at Kansas. “Is it because they only come here once a year, and we’ve got 38 shows, and so we’re a little redundant, maybe?”

Sunday’s Formula One race was the first time that series has competed in the U.S. since 2019. It had a full weekend of practice and qualifying that drew more than 400,000 people, making it among the largest three-day weekend crowds in F1 history, if not the largest.

Sunday’s Cup race at Kansas featured no practice or qualifying leading to the event, a standard for many races during the COVID-19 pandemic. The Cup race was the 72nd in the U.S. since Formula One last competed in the country.

Denny Hamlin has talked about NASCAR adapting “more of an F1-style approach to a race weekend and how we host hospitalities, parties, just all of those things.”

He said before the Kansas race that more should be done by the tracks.

“Certainly I think the tracks have not been held enough to a high enough standard when it comes to promotion,” Hamlin said. “I think they’ve just really dropped the ball on that. Certainly, a lot of it was because it was such a small part of the revenue it’s just not a needle mover for them.”

Since the pandemic, PR and track marketing staffs have been cut and consolidated.

Hamlin said he spoke with NASCAR President Steve Phelps last week about a variety of issues, including track attendance.

“I had some great conversations with Phelps on Wednesday. … I certainly think he saw Texas (Motor Speedway) last week and was like that’s absolutely unacceptable,” Hamlin said. “Whether we’ve got to work with them or audit them, whatever it might be, we’ve got to fix the promotion side of things.

“Certainly, I think that everyone could be held to a higher standard, especially the tracks given the revenue they have.”

Tracks also could be incentivized by minimum attendance clauses that have been added to NASCAR sanctioning agreements in recent years. It’s just a matter of how NASCAR is willing to enforce that during a pandemic.

According to a Dover Motorsports filing, promoters are required at Cup races “to use best efforts to ensure minimum spectator attendance … of at least (70) percent of capacity of the facility.”

Kyle Busch also raised questions about what tracks are doing to attract fans.

“I had a friend of mine who I’d been friends with for 10 or so years reach out to me last weekend and said, “‘Oh, I had no idea you guys were in town for the Texas race. I live 6 minutes from the speedway,” Busch said. “You tell me how we’re going to fix it.”

Making more NASCAR races into events should lead to more promotion, so more people know when a track’s race weekend is.

Events make a splash. It’s why NASCAR will start next season inside the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum instead of at Daytona International Speedway – as the sport has traditionally done.

“I think that’s something we can look at in the future is what other venues like this would you realistically be able to do something like that,” Ben Kennedy, NASCAR vice president of strategic initiatives, told NBC Sports’ Nate Ryan in September about the race at the Coliseum.

“But that said, really our core focus right now is really putting on a special event at the Coliseum for our fans and something new and fresh.”

One hope for NASCAR is the event at the Coliseum also will have a celebrity component that is being worked out.

NASCAR has made adjustments to the schedule. COTA hosted its first Cup weekend in May to a good crowd despite rain on race day. Nashville Superspeedway had a sellout crowd of about 38,000 for its first Cup race in June. Road America had a large crowd for its Cup weekend.

Inaugural races often do well. The key is maintaining that excitement and enthusiasm. If not, a track can go away like Kentucky Speedway did. It debuted in 2011 to a record crowd besieged by nightmarish traffic issues and was off the schedule by 2021 as attendance eroded.

NASCAR is making its Championship 4 weekend into an event. The Cup season finale Nov. 7 at Phoenix Raceway already is sold out. Multiplatinum entertainer Dierks Bentley will perform a concert before the race. Emmy and Tony Award winner Kristin Chenoweth will perform the national anthem.

But there’s also been talk of if the championship race should be held at one track annually or moved around. Phoenix will host the season finale for a third consecutive year in 2022.

Former Cup champion Brad Keselowski notes the difference in broadcast and admission revenue when looking at F1 and NASCAR and their approach.

“(Formula One) seems to, at least for the United States, be more interested in the event than broadcast, where (NASCAR) seems to be the opposite and more interested in broadcast than any event,” Keselowski said.

“That’s flipped over years. Twenty years ago I would have said (NASCAR was) probably the opposite. We were where they are. Generally speaking, when you can’t get the broadcast money, you go after the event money. You try for the broadcast money first because it’s much bigger, so much larger pot. In that sense I would say we are ahead, undoubtedly compared to them here in the United States.

“There’s no reason why we can’t have both. I think that’s something that we should certainly aspire to and there’s a lot of reasons we can do that. Ultimately I think there’s enough smart people in the sport we could pull it off pretty easily if they were properly motivated to do so, but, at this point in time, have never been motivated to do it.

“If that changes, we could get there. At this moment it hasn’t. I guess we’ll see how that plays out. It’s really more a question for those that have the power and control to do it than it is probably for the drivers.”

While NASCAR and Speedway Motorsports do not disclose track financials, Dover Motorsports, a publicly traded company, does.

In 2019, the last season before the COVID-19 pandemic, track records show that Dover recorded $4.9 million in admission revenue, while collecting $34.2 million broadcast revenue. Contracts with tracks stipulate that tracks keep 65% percent of its broadcast revenue and put 25% of that revenue into the race purse for teams. NASCAR keeps 10% of the broadcast money.

“I think when I first started coming to the races before the broadcast was so important, it was more about the events,” Keselowski said. “The thing that stood out the most to me was you could go to the midway and it felt like you were at a fair. It doesn’t feel that way now. That’s changed so much. Not that that’s good or bad. I think there’s a lot of ways we can spice it up.

“My No. 1 contention is simple things like driver interaction. I would love to interact more with the fans. Any time I go to do it, I get charged. Why would I pay to interact with fans? That seems absurd.”

Asked what he meant, Keselowski explained:

“If I want to go do an event somewhere, or if I want to just even park a souvenir trailer outside and sign autographs for fans, it’s “That will cost you 20 grand.’

‘No, I’m doing this for the fans.’

‘Nope, we want our 20 grand. In fact it’s 40 grand.’

‘I’m not going to pay 40 grand (to) you to sign autographs for you to collect the ticket money. That makes no sense.’

“Until those things change, there’s at least, from my side, a complete demotivation to do those things. Whether they will or whether they won’t, I don’t know. I don’t have the ability to control those things. Certainly understand the affects of them.”

With NASCAR owning a majority of the tracks, Keselowski was asked about possible change.

“I’d like to see it change,” he said. “It’s very possible. Do we want to get there or do we not.”


Kansas has it much easier than most ovals. A small city has popped up over by it's spots. You've got a gun store with an excellent selection and full indoor pistol and rifle ranges, there's hotels right next to the speedway, and you can shop or eat at multiple places all within 5 minutes of the race track. Most oval tracks are out in the middle of nowhere with nothing else to do unless the racetrack provides entertainment.

To also show how deplorable track marketing is, sometime in June or July, Kansas Speedway opened up a Saturday for vaccinations where after your shot, you could take you car around the track for 2 laps. I'm a racing fan and I found out about it the DAY OF on the local news while I'm sitting at work with no possibilty of going.

I hate to thank NASCAR for anything, but at least this is shedding some light on an IndyCar problem. Tons of people show up to Long Beach, Road America, Mid Ohio, and Nashville was a successful event. It's not the product that's the problem.
 
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