12 Strong is a new movie based on the true story of the first special operations soldiers to conduct combat operations in Afghanistan after September 11, 2001 attacks, and is based on the book 12 Strong: The Declassified True Story of the Horse Soldiers.

Jerry Bruckheimer movie with a good cast so I have high hopes for this movie. It has a release date of January 19.

I just finished listening to an interview with two of the special operations soldiers that were on this mission and they were both impressed and somewhat in awe of just how accurate this movie was to the mission they were a part of. I also found it interesting that one of them pointed out the similarity this mission had to the Doolittle Raider mission of WW II.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Denciie5oA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxag9p-63RU

The book was a good read. Looking forward to the movie.

I will probably see it this weekend

Looking forward to it!

an article on the movie "12 Strong"

Warning: some spoilers in the article

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...w-12-strong-n2436392

It’s about time the Army’s Green Berets get some of the glory, it seems as if the Navy SEALs have the monopoly on war movies about Special Forces types.

That's because only one of them are "quiet professionals."

Saw it today. It was pretty good. I give it a solid B-.

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NBC hated it. I will probably love it....

'12 Strong' proves Hollywood still believes only American lives matter in war...The new war film is colonialism masquerading as unabashed propaganda.

I am seeing this on imax tomorrow. Looking forward to it.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
NBC hated it. I will probably love it....

'12 Strong' proves Hollywood still believes only American lives matter in war...The new war film is colonialism masquerading as unabashed propaganda.

An article written by another beta male liberal who hates portrayals of the type of man he could never be.

Never read a review of it. Had premonitions based on the presence of Aussie Blondie (Hemsworth) and Michael Pena. Not for their acting abilities, but for their prevelance in being cast in so many films.

This movie sucked ass. This movie sucked so much, Dyson is trying to figure out how to power their next vacuum from it.

This movie is Afghanistan what John Wayne's "The Green Berets" was to Vietnam...replete with frontal attacks, rotten characters and missing the entire point. Hell, the characters even sings a few bars from the "Ballad of the Green Beret". There is even an Afghan 'Hamchunk'.

Cinematically: poorly written characters that come off like charicatures, not people. The story is so dumbed down it is cartoonish and treats any literate viewer like they were just released from the primate house. There is no nuance, no depth, in spite of the abundance of potentially interesting and rich material, and no regard for the intelligence of viewers. This film made a movie like Peter Berg's "Lone Survivor", itself an exercise in shallowness, look like "The Godfather".

The way it is shot, you can tell there is nothing foreign about it. The Afghan people are reduced to being a sterotype and enemy made to appear as menacingly dangerous in the same way Hollywood used to treat Native Americans in movies of the 1940's and 50's. The Taliban/AQ look like they are equipped on par with a Soviet Motor Rifle division.

Speaking of which, you could drive a Motor Rifle division through the plot holes, this is so pathetic.

The characters are formulaic: the lone black guy, the grizzled old NCO, the young, bright eyed officer, the wise-cracking comic relief guy, the evil bad guy who twirls his moustache, the young child who attaches himself to the hip of inconvenienced and reluctant GI.

Thematically: When I compared it to 'The Green Berets', I meant it. The action scenes are so absurd and dumb, it reminds me of some of the Golan Globus action movies from the 80's minus Chuck Norris. In fact, it is as bad as 'Rambo III', a movie I can't even bring myself to watch. Let's just say the enemy are at one point trying to using a BM-21 MLRS, busily reloading it, so it can be fired at targets a football field away. yeah, that bad.

Dostum is turned into the Afghan Panch Villa, riding into battle, shooting down Talibans with his pistol. Dostum never went into combat on horseback, never got any closer to the front-line than what he could see from binoculars.

This movie is a pile of dogshit. It isn't even worth your time on cable.

I understand Hemsworth being in it as he is a talentless hack, and Pena has been whoring himself out for years, too, even though he has talent. But Michael Shannon? I can't believe he sunk this low...his reputation with me is tarnished to the point I will have to question any project he is attached to from this point on. He needs to redeem himself.

the only cool thing? Old school tacticool. Three-tone desert camo and black fleece Polartec jackets, old school LBE. No Multicam, no exotic NVGs, no lasercut MOLLE (well, except for one anachronism)

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^^^^^^ So...other than that...good flick, huh?

It's a C at best.

If you've read the book by Doug Stanton, you'll see this movie is simply showing a slice of the bigger picture that was going on at that time. Its no more violent, vulgar or, graphic than any popular war movies made in the 50-60's...you can bring your 10-year old to watch this. There was definitely compromises made as it relates to accuracy versus what the studio execs want to make. It's not horrendous, however it's not fantastic or, must-see. If you've followed the war and kept up with various events, this story is not a surprise or, anything revealing.

By the end, you really don't know, the how's and why of the opening months of our fight there....actually, the movie is incomplete and shallow. It's palatable for a simple audience that can't handle complex issues, wars are complex, particularly ones that involve working with indigenous populations and this movie dumbed it down quite a bit. Uniforms and weapons are accurate, aircraft are accurate, language and slang is accurate, actually including a Chief Warrant Officer as a character in a movie was a surprise...can't wait for people to ask, what rank is he? BUT...where's the Team Sergeant, the glue of any good SF ODA?

Looks like I may have to read the book. I was hoping for more.

That's disappointing that it's not a very good movie. I read the book a few years ago and thought it was outstanding and always hoped they would make a movie out of it.

My problem is the Michael Shannon part.

The guy is an extreme left-wing agitator.

Can't get past that.

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Originally posted by corsair:
It's a C at best.

If you've read the book by Doug Stanton, you'll see this movie is simply showing a slice of the bigger picture that was going on at that time. Its no more violent, vulgar or, graphic than any popular war movies made in the 50-60's...you can bring your 10-year old to watch this. There was definitely compromises made as it relates to accuracy versus what the studio execs want to make. It's not horrendous, however it's not fantastic or, must-see. If you've followed the war and kept up with various events, this story is not a surprise or, anything revealing.

By the end, you really don't know, the how's and why of the opening months of our fight there....actually, the movie is incomplete and shallow. It's palatable for a simple audience that can't handle complex issues, wars are complex, particularly ones that involve working with indigenous populations and this movie dumbed it down quite a bit. Uniforms and weapons are accurate, aircraft are accurate, language and slang is accurate, actually including a Chief Warrant Officer as a character in a movie was a surprise...can't wait for people to ask, what rank is he? BUT...where's the Team Sergeant, the glue of any good SF ODA?

agreed. After having read the book and karma'ed a copy or two off, I was sorely disappointed in the movie.

Appreciate the heads up.

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It's a C at best.

and that is being generous.