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She said that if Markinson doesn't want to be found, we're not gonna find him. She said I could be Markinson and you wouldn't know it.
June 07, 2017, 12:26 PM
83v45magnaShe said that if Markinson doesn't want to be found, we're not gonna find him. She said I could be Markinson and you wouldn't know it.
Are you Markinson?
No.
June 07, 2017, 06:04 PM
G-Man"Oh, you strenuously object. Is that how it's done?"
June 07, 2017, 06:19 PM
Balzé HalzéShould we or should we not follow the advice of the galactically stupid!
~Alan
Acta Non Verba
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Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan
June 07, 2017, 07:05 PM
BigboreshooterYou want to investigate me, roll the dice and take your chances.
When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed. Luke 11:21
"Every nation in every region now has a decision to make.
Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." -- George W. Bush
June 07, 2017, 09:36 PM
Captain MorganYou dont need to wear a uniform to have honor.
Let all Men know thee, but no man know thee thoroughly: Men freely ford that see the shallows.
Benjamin Franklin June 07, 2017, 10:44 PM
LS1 GTOWhat a relief. I was afraid I wouldn't be able to use the liar-liar-pants-on-fire defense.
Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
"If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers
The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own...
June 07, 2017, 11:11 PM
83v45magnaI have absolutely no responsibilities here whatsoever.
June 08, 2017, 12:42 AM
KevboYardarm? Sherby does the Navy still hang people from yardarms?
I don't think so
Dave, Sherby doesn't think the Navy hangs people from yardarms anymore.
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If the meek will inherit the earth, what will happen to us tigers?
June 08, 2017, 05:48 AM
Sig209Solid movie. I don't know how realistic it was in an actual UCMJ standpoint but it was well-acted.
Movie trivia - I seem to recall reading Demi Moore was pregnant during the filming... she was a not hard to look at back then that's for sure ...
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Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.
June 08, 2017, 06:23 AM
f2The witness is excused.
June 08, 2017, 06:33 AM
BurtonRWI've always been inclined to argue that Jessup was the true hero of that film, which was a very well written tragedy.
Thoughts?
-Rob
I predict that there will be many suggestions and statements about the law made here, and some of them will be spectacularly wrong. - jhe888
A=A June 08, 2017, 08:20 AM
Hound Dogquote:
Originally posted by BurtonRW:
I've always been inclined to argue that Jessup was the true hero of that film, which was a very well written tragedy.
Thoughts?
He did the wrong thing for the right reasons. It really wasn't his fault that the dead guy had a rare undiagnosed medical condition. Every other Marine on that base would have been fine. Of course, that medical condition lead the dead guy to having all his physical performance problems. Not really Jessup's fault, but he WAS responsible for his death. And the military tries, at least, to hold people responsible for their actions. And, the Code Red WAS an illegal order. So, Jessup did violate orders. That's why Kevin Bacon said he had to go arrest Kiefer Sutherland - because he carried out the illegal order.
Also, it negatively portrays the Marines. The 'good guy' (Cruise) is the black sheep character that doesn't really fit in with all the other 'military' guys. And the two Marines on charge are idiots. The black guy is slow and is portrayed as excessively hung up on his whole "Duty/Honor/Country" mantra, while the skinny white guy is a low-functioning retard. He has to have everything explained to him. He doesn't understand why he is even imprisoned. They mentioned that he wanted comic books to read in jail. The real 'hard-charging' Marines are the bad guys - Jessup and Kiefer. They are educated and uphold the traditional military image, but are responsible for Santiago's death.
I didn't catch this at the time, but I read something that pointed all this out. Still a great movie, IMO. It has some of the best quotable lines in cinematic history - that "Stand on a wall" speech is epic. And, IIRC, in the opening bit where Demi's chest walked past the rifle squad, that rifle routine was performed by the Texas A&M Corps of Cadets.
Fear God and Dread Nought
Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher
June 08, 2017, 08:38 AM
Leemurquote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Should we or should we not follow the advice of the galactically stupid!
The number of times that line goes through my head at work each day is astonishing.
June 08, 2017, 09:31 AM
MikeGLIYou're a lousy fucking softball player, Jack!
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Steak: Rare. Coffee: Black. Bourbon: Neat. June 08, 2017, 09:44 AM
YellowJacketLove the scene where he first has lunch with Jessup.
"I can deal with the bullets and the bombs and the blood. I don't want money and I don't want medals but what I do want is for you to stand there in that faggoty white uniform and, with your Harvard mouth, extend me some fucking courtesy. You've gotta ask me nicely."
I'm gonna vote for the funniest frog with the loudest croak on the highest log. June 08, 2017, 10:48 AM
BurtonRWquote:
Originally posted by Hound Dog:
quote:
Originally posted by BurtonRW:
I've always been inclined to argue that Jessup was the true hero of that film, which was a very well written tragedy.
Thoughts?
He did the wrong thing for the right reasons.
Sounds about right.
quote:
And, the Code Red WAS an illegal order. So, Jessup did violate orders. That's why Kevin Bacon said he had to go arrest Kiefer Sutherland - because he carried out the illegal order.
I thought he was going to arrest Kiefer for perjury. Or did he specify beyond, "I have to go arrest Kendrick"?
quote:
Also, it negatively portrays the Marines.
No kidding, but remember, it was a play and playwrights are almost universally libtards.
-Rob
I predict that there will be many suggestions and statements about the law made here, and some of them will be spectacularly wrong. - jhe888
A=A June 08, 2017, 05:34 PM
Balzé Halzéquote:
Originally posted by BurtonRW:
quote:
And, the Code Red WAS an illegal order. So, Jessup did violate orders. That's why Kevin Bacon said he had to go arrest Kiefer Sutherland - because he carried out the illegal order.
I thought he was going to arrest Kiefer for perjury. Or did he specify beyond, "I have to go arrest Kendrick"?
-Rob
I always assumed he was going to arrest him for perjury as well.
~Alan
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God, Family, Guns, Country
Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan
June 09, 2017, 08:15 AM
Hound Dogquote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I always assumed he was going to arrest him for perjury as well.
I suppose the perjury charge is what they were shooting for. He would still be on the hook for executing an illegal order, though. . .
Fear God and Dread Nought
Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher
June 09, 2017, 12:26 PM
erj_pilot "And the hits just keep ooooon comin'..."Well technically Kendrick didn't order the code red.....Jessup did, so Kendrick could probably dodge a perjury charge. So the only thing I can surmise is that they're going after Kendrick for obstruction of justice, conduct unbecoming (following an illegal order as Hound Dog pointed out), or some such other charge. But.....IANAL.
"If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 June 10, 2017, 07:04 AM
CQB60I am a lawyer and an officer in the United States Navy... And you're under arrest, you son of a bitch.
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