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Ah, I see your confusion. Herlong, CA was named after Captain Henry W. Herlong, the first United States Army ordnance officer to die in World War II, when his plane crashed on June 22nd, 1941. This means that Captain Herlong was the first (specifically) Army Ordnance Officer to die in WW2, not the first US soldier killed in WW2 overall. Even before the previously mentioned Captain Losey in April 1940, there were two US sailors who it could be argued could be the first US servicemen to die during WW2. The commonly accepted starting point for WW2 is September 1st, 1939, with the German invasion of Poland, but some historians argue that the start date should be July 7th, 1937, with the Japanese invasion of China. In that light, the first US servicemen to die in WW2 would be Storekeeper First Class Charles L. Ensminger and Coxswain Edgar C. Hulsebus, US Navy sailors who died on December 12th, 1937, when the US Navy gunboat USS Panay was attacked and sunk by Japanese forces while anchored in the Yangtze River outside Nanking, China. This was 2.5 years prior to Captain Losey's death, and 4 years prior to Pearl Harbor. | |||
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Best to double-check your info before crossing swords with Rogue. The guy knows stuff, and when he doesn't, he knows where to find it.  ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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Sorry, it seems because Capt. Herlong died on the same day as Germany invading Russia I made an assumption the two were connected.... kind of what we do. And I wasn't even drinking.... Subject change... kind like what the anti gunners do with a lot of 'facts'. My Native American Name: "Runs with Scissors" | |||
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Instead of starting a new thread, I'll admit that I missed this date three days ago. Next spring we're doing a Viking river cruise from St Petersburg (once known as Leningrad) to Moscow. During WWII, Leningrad suffered horribly during the siege, here's a book I just read: https://www.amazon.com/Leningr...98060&s=books&sr=1-2 | |||
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To be fair, we were not that good. In the beginning. Lots of failures and lessons learned over the years. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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Berlin would have had its own fat man/little boy by the end of the year. ----------------------------------------------------------- TCB all the time... | |||
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Germany never had a shot, they were totally unprepared for the loss of life the Soviets inflicted on them. Up until that invasion Germany had very few casualties. This invasion cost them up to or over 1 million men. They were done by 1943, Officer corps knew it.
Oddly, Hitler is quoted as calling it the "Jewish bomb" or "Jewish weapon" or something like that. He was not a fan. | |||
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I've never seen any actual fats to back that up. They may have wanted one but they were a long way away from having one. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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This pretty much agrees with you. | |||
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When Mussolini heard about it he said Hitler would be defeated in Russia by only three Generals. General Distance,General Weather, and General Mud.He was right. | |||
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These facets of the German invasion of Russia are not often considered. Most of the Russian generals wanted the bulk of Russia's defensive resources positioned deeper in the Russian interior. Having them there would give the defense extra time to mobilize during an invasion. Instead, Stalin had them close to the Russian border. Some historians speculate that these were staging areas for an invasion of Europe, not defensive positions. Hitler could have viewed them the same way. Then, there was the fact that the Germans didn't think their war production could beat a rearmed, retrained and restructured Russian Army. Russia instituted such a program when the vastly outnumbered Finns gave them a good beating earlier in the war. There is a lot of evidence that Barbarossa was a spoiling attack. Also, most historians believe that the Germans lost the war in Russia when they shifted armor formations from one army to another - ad then back again. V. | |||
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Yep. Hitler kept changing his mind about where the advance should be focused, and ended up trying to do too many things at once across too broad of a front. This delayed the advance enough to allow the Soviets to bring in reinforcements and evacuate a large portion of their industry to the interior of the country, and caused the Germans to fail to achieve their objectives before the mud and winter set in. The Germans didn't intend to conquer all of the Soviet Union. They planned to strike quickly, rapidly seize the Western Soviet Union (which is where the vast majority of the agriculture and industry was located), capture Moscow, and force a Soviet surrender, wherein the Russians would becomes an agrarian vassal state confined east of the Ural Mountains. Similar to what they had done in France the year before. Had they stuck to that plan, and focused on the drive towards Moscow after their initial hugely successful pincer movements against the forces massed at the border, the Germans had a shot.
The Germans had the ability to absorb heavy casualties for a short time, as evidenced by their ability to remain combat effective for ~2 solid years on the Eastern Front, despite horrific casualties. Had they been able to knock out the Soviets relatively quickly as planned, their limited population and resources wouldn't have come into play as much. But once it bogged down and became a war of attrition, it was over for the Germans. They couldn't hope to compete against the population and resources of the fully mobilized Soviets.This message has been edited. Last edited by: RogueJSK, | |||
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