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Disney has had its best days. They should just quietly fold up shop and move on
 
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I mean, they're making another Santa Clause so they can't be too pissed at him.


My son told me a couple of months ago that it will be a mini TV series about the character, played by Allen, retiring from being Santa and handing off the duties of Santa Clause to a character played by a gay Indian actor.



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I'm guessing that the only reason it was lesbians and not gay boyz kissing is because the animators were nerd duders that had their wet dream fantasies sculpted by internet porn sites.


I had forgotten about this, until last night. I’ve been watching the SW Films, from EP1 to 9 last night, just prior to canceling the service this Wednesday. Ending scene in 9, here come the Lesbians. Disney caving to the LBGTQ, and sorry I can’t remember the rest of the letters they have added, pressure. And that’s obviously just the Twatter mob. Then the previous night with 8, with Purple Hair Haldo, lecturing Poe, and men in general, something about trigger happy flyboys, etc. Talking down to men, etc. Then FF to the Obi Wan series and that woke agenda. And now all the Marvel stuff going feminine, the women are superior deal. Combined it’s just all too much. Tired of the woke agenda and Kennedy, she needs to go as she is the definition of the woke LA/Cali feminist trying to push that agenda. If they’d just do things casual, nobody would care. But each Disney film, or series, they just want to shove it in your ass, trying to make statements and such. Go woke, go broke, and hopefully some/many send them a message.

If you have children just explain to them the agenda the company is shoving down everyone’s throats. There has to be other youth content out there.



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Seems like people are finally rejecting Disney's wokeism:

DISNEY PIXAR'S 'LIGHTYEAR' HUGE FLOP AT BOX OFFICE

Good!


 
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Disney caving to the LBGTQ, and sorry I can’t remember the rest of the letters they have added, pressure


They aren't caving to pressure, they are leading the charge. Disney is run by these nutjobs.

My 4yo saw an ad for this & is all about it. I'll be pirating it as soon as it releases on streaming/disc.

Maybe Tim Allen & Johnny Depp will get the rights away from Disney & we can have decent movies again....
 
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Seems like people are finally rejecting Disney's wokeism:

DISNEY PIXAR'S 'LIGHTYEAR' HUGE FLOP AT BOX OFFICE

Good!


So it looks that it only grossed 50 million bucks opening weekend. Just as a comparison, Toy Story 2 was the #1 movie when it opened, grossing 57 million that weekend. But it was in 1999, when ticket prices were less than half of todays.

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They aren't caving to pressure, they are leading the charge. Disney is run by these nutjobs.


What I meant was that the company is stupid and thinking they need to cater to this overwhelming minority which is pushing out the majority. It’s been proven that the outspoken Twatter mob is just a very small % of money, etc. The company gives them far too much voice. Disney will learn, go woke, go broke. They’ll do themselves in with this content and if they want to push it that much it will lead to people never coming back. They are banking right now, on people to just coming back and lapping it up no matter what shit they put out. All Disney cares about is money so hit them where it hurts.

They are too big anyhow. They own Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar, and they bought 20th Century Fox. We have monopoly laws in place but I guess big business greases the wheel so much they get away with whatever they want. Competition is good. What’s good for the consumer is this shit broken up making the companies challenge and compete against each other. Not so with Disney. They just keep buying up more and more shit. I detest Lucas from selling to them. How much money do you need? Instead of 2 billion, take the 1.5 or 1.75 billion dollars from another company. When art goes the way of the dodo, our entire society is done.



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Quite a write-up from one of the leading Disney blog sites, recognizing the problems that Disney is facing

Lightyear Is Such a Woke Flop, Pixar Faces a Reckoning
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There are times when a failure is too big and too important for a studio to continue on in the way it had been. Lightyear has missed to such a level.

There are spoilers in this article regarding Lightyear.

Batman v Superman and its abysmal reception was enough to end the trajectory of all DC movies. Solo: A Star Wars Movie was the first ever bomb for Lucasfilm, and as a result the studio finished its one remaining film in production; years later, there’s still nothing on schedule for cinemas out of Star Wars. John Carter crashed Disney’s best-made plans for a science fiction endeavor. Atlantis essentially killed traditional animation. When the history books look back at this period of time in film, Lightyear will have wiped out Pixar as it is currently constituted.

The situation is unlike anything that Pixar has faced before. Even when they released Cars 2 to critical and audience dismay, the movie still did well enough to make money. When they released The Good Dinosaur, yes it was a signal that things were not going well behind the scenes, but no it was not an existential threat. Onward had the opportunity to claim the pandemic as its cause of failure. Lightyear has no such luxury. Expected originally to make more than one-hundred million dollars in its domestic debut and more than a billion in its full, worldwide release, Lightyear has released to an utter thud. If it manages to cross fifty million in its debut domestic weekend, it will be a miracle. If it doesn’t, we’re already far passed embarrassment. Consider that Disney may be looking at a film that only does something like three-hundred million total worldwide. If that is its final resting place, Lightyear will lose as much as it makes: $300,000,000.

The Walt Disney Company is a huge corporation. But even huge corporations can’t afford to lose those sorts of numbers more than on rare occasion. That means this is untenable going forward. Whatever made Lightyear fail can’t happen again. The problem for Disney and for Pixar is that the failure of this film is squarely on the culture of those who inhabit Pixar. As an example, the same mistakes are on the docket for Strange World, the next theatrical release for Pixar. And the people at the studio are unlikely to accept defeat by pulling the problems out of the movie. That means a fight is brewing, or if Disney is so lucky, a purge. For it was Pixar that used a divisive cultural moment to attempt mutiny against the Disney CEO, Bob Chapek, in order to restore a lesbian kiss to the Lightyear movie. That meant that the film was marketed and discussed in the press as a movie central to the culture war rather than a children’s space ranger flick. Never mind that the movie’s narrative revolves around the lesbian couple who become pregnant and have a family — to the point that Buzz Lightyear becomes the villain for attempting to complete the mission and thereby (somehow) remove the situation in which the couple could come together. Parents were already going to be thrown for a loop when they needed to explain how two mommies can make a baby, the kiss was just Pixar’s coup maximus.

But none of that worked. Disney has become a deeply politicized and divisive company. The people who regularly said “fine, go watch something else” are finally getting their way, then standing in stunned silence as they try to rationalize why an audience didn’t materialize. The mainstream media and the woke punditry have devolved into putrid stupor, presenting ridiculous reasons as to what has occurred. Why should we listen to them? They didn’t foresee this, so why should they be given credence now?

Without the commentary class having good answers, people present particularly dumb arguments like the one featured in the tweet above. They can’t tell a Disney animated classic and why it is important from a sexualized parody meant to satisfy perversion.

The real reasons for why Lightyear has failed are simple. You do not need a PhD or an inside source to understand them.

* Disney became political and alienated half their customers.
* Half their customers (or less) came to Lightyear
* This backlash has been largely hidden until now by streaming.
* Disney management has likely seen this trend before the public saw it loud and clear via the box office.
* Stranger Things shows that the American public isn’t a puritan society — there’s a right way to handle sexual orientation issues.
* Putting sexual orientation issues in a children’s movie in such a way that forces parents to have “the talk” isn’t the right way.
* Turning Red already primed the public to be wary. Lightyear went way farther.

Can I also just say that I find it exceedingly funny that they released a movie that centers around a lesbian couple and the bad guy is a man who might accidentally erase their relationship… on Father’s Day Weekend.

Excuses about competition, lower animated film expectations, or streaming influence are silly. Two weeks ago, none of those excuses were out there… the film was being touted as a greater than hundred-million dollar domestic debut. They never tell that in the updates now. Instead, they talk about the $70-90 million they switched to once the presale ticket numbers started coming in and analysts panicked. But it was far worse. And the only reason they didn’t see this coming is because they’re in such a bubble with who they talk to and where they live that they didn’t even know about the thesis we’ve been presenting here at That Park Place for months. They would have rejected it if they had known, but that they didn’t is enough to show you how insular their lives are.

The cleanup for Disney will be hard. The company is overtaken with a California culture that is wholly separate and distinct from the rest of the country and even most of the western world. What do you do when your studio is filled with people who don’t know how to avoid their core beliefs because their core beliefs are at odds with most of the world? It’s a serious societal problem for the United States, but it’s certainly a present financial issue for Disney now. The one good thing for Disney and its attempts to moderate the company: the next time CEO Bob Chapek makes a demand of Pixar, the studio has absolutely no leverage to stand up against him. The strategy and the vision Pixar and others in the company held just as recently as one week ago are now an utter failure, totally repudiated, and done so in full public display.

The pendulum has shifted. The near future isn’t woke. That means we’ll deal with the shrieks of true believers (i.e. the creatives at Disney), but the case is closed. Star Wars is hobbled. Marvel is moving downward. Pixar is pummeled. And all of it is a result of believing the world was willing to go woke along with them. But as they say, go woke…

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Wow. you'd think Disney would have figured out by now that when you go woke, you truly go broke.

Maybe it will finally sink in, I heard they've lost fully HALF of their market value in the past year.


 
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^^^I'd estimate they've lost HALF of their 'Customer Base' as a result as well... Wink


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and the movie continues its downward spiral at the box office in its 2nd weekend, grossing 17 mil, a 65% drop.

In contrast, the pro-American, non-woke Top Gun sequel grossed almost 200 million in the same 10 day period, and has chalked up a total of over 1 billion worldwide, a first for Tom Cruise.



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Looks like the Disney Board has given CEO Bob Chapek a vote of confidence with a new 3-year contract extension. Does this mean a more 'intensive' house cleaning of activist-employees is on the horizon?

 
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He has a brand new series coming to Disney+ this year, so I'm fairly certain there is no truth behind any of the conspiracy theories about them being woke and done with him. Remember the bottom line for Disney is and always has been $$$. Tim Allen said himself that he made sure that they were fully aware of his drug trafficking charges and the content of his stand-up work before he ever started with them, and they still hired him.



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Tim Allen finally speaking up on this whole debacle, basically saying "WTF were they thinking?"

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Tim Allen Gives His Brutally Honest Thoughts on New Lightyear Movie


 
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