Star Wars Last Jedi --- SPOILER thread for discussion
The bombs are really the least of the problems with this shit sandwich movie.
Fuck you Rian Johnson
Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day
July 08, 2018, 11:05 AM
RHINOWSO
The more I watch these movies, the more it was inspired by WW2 combat.
US / British bomber attack for the opening scene (think "Memphis Belle") and surface combat for the 'chase' scene of the spaceships (Sink the Bismark or any other WW2 movie like that).
Hollywood is really all out of ideas.
July 08, 2018, 11:10 AM
OcCurt
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO: The more I watch these movies, the more it was inspired by WW2 combat.
US / British bomber attack for the opening scene (think "Memphis Belle") and surface combat for the 'chase' scene of the spaceships (Sink the Bismark or any other WW2 movie like that).
Hollywood is really all out of ideas.
Which goes all the way back to the first movie. The TIE/Xwing dogfights over the death star are all based on WWII gun camera footage.
July 08, 2018, 11:22 AM
Orguss
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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic: Fuck you Rian Johnson
This mantra is getting old, man. We all get it and agree with you.
"I'm yet another resource-consuming kid in an overpopulated planet raised to an alarming extent by Hollywood and Madison Avenue, poised with my cynical and alienated peers to take over the world when you're old and weak!" - Calvin, "Calvin & Hobbes"
July 08, 2018, 11:40 AM
RHINOWSO
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Originally posted by OcCurt: Which goes all the way back to the first movie. The TIE/Xwing dogfights over the death star are all based on WWII gun camera footage.
Agreed, but the bomber scene is like cut and pasted out of a WW2 movie.
Oh, the bombers are getting torn up by ground fire, oh they are almost to release, oh the bombs wont drop due to a mechanical issue, oh we need a heroic act to drop them.
July 08, 2018, 01:18 PM
Hound Dog
johnson admitted his inspiration for the 'bomb run' was from watching WWII footage (complete with ball turrets) and heavy losses. Never mind the context of the Star Wars established lore of tactics/history/common sense, etc (in an established world with computerized targeting and THOUSANDS of opposing enemy fighters, lumbering heavy bombers on a long, slow 'bomb run' will inevitably result in mass slaughter). Of course it would have made sense to use Y-wing fighters (the SW equivalent of F-15E Strike Eagles), but they put style over substance, and it shows.
And he wanted that 'dramatic' (I say 'stupid' and 'boring) tail chase. THAT drove the entire stupid and childish plot. He didn't take the fams OR franchise seriously,, and THAT will cost Didney Worl millions (if not billions) in lost revenue.
Face it, this knucklehead almost KILLED the Star Wars movie franchise. In making this movie, he took an essentially no-lose scenario and managed to screw it up so badly that even an outstanding Ep 9 may not be able to save the franchise.
Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher
July 08, 2018, 02:15 PM
OcCurt
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Oh, the bombers are getting torn up by ground fire, oh they are almost to release, oh the bombs wont drop due to a mechanical issue, oh we need a heroic act to drop them.
Yeah, no doubt. That whole scene was clichéd and boring and stupid.
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Face it, this knucklehead almost KILLED the Star Wars movie franchise. In making this movie, he took an essentially no-lose scenario and managed to screw it up so badly that even an outstanding Ep 9 may not be able to save the franchise.
No almost about it.
I finally tried to watch TLJ last week on Netflix. The whole floaty in space after being blowed up and blowed out of your ship without a spacesuit and without a scratch because THE FORCE (midiclorians ), coming on the heels of the aforementioned silly "bomb run" which came on the heels of the Luke Skywalker grimacing while drinking walrus titty juice while being a giant, whiney bitch was enough.
Turned it off while Leia was still doing the floaty in space thing. Don't care enough about the new, lame-ass characters and the preachy SJW message overload to finish and no longer care about any new stuff coming out. Might give Solo a look when it makes it's way to TV. Might not.
July 08, 2018, 07:06 PM
Hound Dog
Well, by 'almost,' I mean that they still did Solo and are going to do Ep9, but other announced projects (Obi Wan and Boba Fett standalone films) are now imperiled. . .
It's almost like he TRIED to tank Ep8, as bad as it was. Any competent director could have made even a vanilla movie that fans would have loved and supported. Instead, he poisoned the well and killed the golden goose (to mix metaphors). . .
I don't even think the prequels evoked as much hatred amongst the fan base as this turd did.
Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher
I don't know how to embed, go to 50 seconds in.... Did he deliberately piss off fans?
And.. Fuck you Rian Johnson. It might get old, but it's my thread and I'm not over it yet, sorry Orguss, not trying to annoy you but too much nerd rage still in me. ☺
Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day
July 08, 2018, 08:04 PM
erj_pilot
I must have missed it. Is Star Wars a documentary???
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July 08, 2018, 08:11 PM
Orguss
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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic: And.. Fuck you Rian Johnson. It might get old, but it's my thread and I'm not over it yet, sorry Orguss, not trying to annoy you but too much nerd rage still in me. ☺
LOL Your show, man. I'm gonna bow out for a while.
"I'm yet another resource-consuming kid in an overpopulated planet raised to an alarming extent by Hollywood and Madison Avenue, poised with my cynical and alienated peers to take over the world when you're old and weak!" - Calvin, "Calvin & Hobbes"
July 08, 2018, 08:23 PM
corsair
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Originally posted by Hound Dog: johnson admitted his inspiration for the 'bomb run' was from watching WWII footage (complete with ball turrets) and heavy losses. Never mind the context of the Star Wars established lore of tactics/history/common sense, etc (in an established world with computerized targeting and THOUSANDS of opposing enemy fighters, lumbering heavy bombers on a long, slow 'bomb run' will inevitably result in mass slaughter). Of course it would have made sense to use Y-wing fighters (the SW equivalent of F-15E Strike Eagles), but they put style over substance, and it shows.
SW has been horrible when it comes to understanding tactics and how to film warfare. As a country, we've been at war for 17-years, electronic warfare is a major part of penetrating contested air space and near-peer battle, you'd think these script writers would bring in some subject matter experts to get a better understanding of what modern warfare is like. TESB introduced watchers to the ion cannon, it paralyzed a star destroyer, Rogue One had them on Y-Wings, same result, it paralyzed a star destroyer....that's been it from the rebels/resistance. Freaking jawas used them to paralyze R2-D2 in ANH, this latest round of movies there's been no such usage of any kind of electronic warfare. But, bombers we got to have bombers, dropping racks and racks onto a spaceship. Tench warfare, check. What's next wave attacks, oh we had that in TPM
I don't know how to embed, go to 50 seconds in.... Did he deliberately piss off fans?
And.. Fuck you Rian Johnson. It might get old, but it's my thread and I'm not over it yet, sorry Orguss, not trying to annoy you but too much nerd rage still in me. ☺
Originally posted by RHINOWSO: The more I watch these movies, the more it was inspired by WW2 combat.
Of course it is. Going all the way back to Lucas and A New Hope, and he's stated that. It's nothing new.
The Millennium Falcon's cockpit was inspired by a WWII bomber:
July 09, 2018, 10:14 AM
PASig
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Originally posted by Orguss:
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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic: Fuck you Rian Johnson
This mantra is getting old, man. We all get it and agree with you.
Who is this "we" shit?
There are still plenty of people who thought TLJ was fine. Myself included. Jesus.
July 09, 2018, 12:17 PM
P220 Smudge
That's fine. You guys can think it was fine. I happen to agree with Lord Vaalic and think it was a total shitfest.
Fuck Rian Johnson. I'm with Lord Vaalic: It can't be said enough.
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July 09, 2018, 12:27 PM
Lord Vaalic
Yes Lucas copied some dogfighting footage almost exactly for the original. All the Star Wars dog fights are totally based on WW2 combat.
The bombs don't really bother me as much as some. The plan of bringing in these ponderous fragile bombers was stupid, but I can accept the magnetic or targeted bomb theory
Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day
July 09, 2018, 12:31 PM
Lord Vaalic
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Originally posted by PASig:
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Originally posted by Orguss:
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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic: Fuck you Rian Johnson
This mantra is getting old, man. We all get it and agree with you.
Who is this "we" shit?
There are still plenty of people who thought TLJ was fine. Myself included. Jesus.
LOL, Orguss is right, maybe I am beating a dead horse, but I am a huge Star Wars nerd, and I have just infinite nerd rage over this movie.
I am happy you enjoyed it, really I am. Star Wars is meant to be enjoyed by all. I wish I could agree with you.
Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day
July 09, 2018, 01:00 PM
kx90
I watched TLJ again the other night on Netflix, I figured I would give it another shot just to be sure.
I felt like probably about 50% of the movie was OK even good, but there were certain parts that just made you go "WTF?! That's just stupid."
I even didn't mind the idea of Leia's space walk but she should not have been able to do that given that she most likely was never trained far enough, if at all, in being a Jedi.
Will I watch it again in my lifetime? Probably, but only if there is nothing else on TV or anything else to do. I bought TFA, Rogue One and I will buy Solo. Will I buy TLJ? Nope.
), coming on the heels of the aforementioned silly "bomb run" which came on the heels of the Luke Skywalker grimacing while drinking walrus titty juice while being a giant, whiney bitch was enough. 
