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July 16, 2026, 09:22 PM
parabellum
Christopher Nolan's "The Odyssey" (July 2026)

July 16, 2026, 09:47 PM
Green Highlander
Just got back from seeing it. I’m still trying to figure out how I feel about.

It is a beautiful film and a has some stunning visuals. In that regard it is an amazing movie.

My ambivalence comes from the storytelling aspect. I have great respect for the source material (at least the Fitzgerald translation) from my classics courses in college. I understand certain license needs to be accepted in condensing the story down to a just under three hour movie. Yet I am left questioning some of the narrative choices. It felt like the tribulations of the journey home were minimalized in favor of other areas of emphasis. Also a great deal is made of a concept I do not recall from the actual Odyssey. In some ways it felt like the story told was smaller in scope than the grandeur of the epic.

I’m going to need to let this sit and marinate for while before I reach my final verdict.


FYI: The characters of Helen and Sinon have less than 5 minutes of combined screen time and are almost irrelevant. Odysseus’ dog spends far more time on screen and is more important to the story.


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July 17, 2026, 10:46 AM
Prefontaine
quote:
Originally posted by Green Highlander:
FYI: The characters of Helen and Sinon have less than 5 minutes of combined screen time and are almost irrelevant. Odysseus’ dog spends far more time on screen and is more important to the story.


You don’t say. Big Grin This is what I’ve said over and over again. I guess people need outrage in their lives. Seems like a lot of wasted anger.



What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone
July 17, 2026, 10:54 AM
parabellum
quote:
Originally posted by Prefontaine:
I guess people need outrage in their lives.
My God. That is rich, coming from you.

Listen, if you're missing the point, or you simply don't care about what that casting signifies, that's on you, but for you to take a high perch and look down on people for their "anger" about this crap, is laughable.
July 17, 2026, 11:15 AM
Prefontaine
quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
Listen, if you're missing the point, or you simply don't care about what that casting signifies, that's on you, but for you to take a high perch and look down on people for their "anger" about this crap, is laughable.


I’m not missing any points. My comments in this thread have been very consistent. 5 minutes of screen time equates to 2 minutes 30 seconds per character that many were up in arms over, in a fictional story. And as he said, “irrelevant”. If it’s irrelevant the outrage doesn’t match up with reality. I’m not on a perch and not looking down on anyone. I’m a sinner like everyone else. Folks were just simply wrong about this.

The print review previously quoted stated:

quote:
Suspicious that this might be a woke rewriting of history to appease Hollywood DEI casting requirements, I did some research and found out that in the Greece of Homer’s “Iliad” and “Odyssey,” the core populations were Mediterranean, but black Africans were indeed present in the broader Aegean world.
The ancient Greeks—who interacted with diverse peoples through trade and war—referred to them as “Aethiopians,“ which means ”burnt face,” and considered them close to the gods. So Helen of Troy could conceivably have been black, considering blonde people were similarly rare in the ancient Mediterranean.


Conceivably. But the bigger point was blonde haired blue eyed folks were just as rare. As I mentioned previously, I said to wait until it comes out first. People didn’t want to do that. What something represents should be based in reality. That means some folks actually seeing the product to see if it’s even warranted.





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July 17, 2026, 11:46 AM
Paten
So Helen of Troy, the daughter of Zeus and Leda of Sparta, could conceivably be black? Riighhttt... Guy did a lot of research there. I'm sure he could write volumns on the subject.
July 17, 2026, 11:56 AM
parabellum
quote:
Originally posted by Prefontaine:
5 minutes of screen time equates to 2 minutes 30 seconds per character that many were up in arms over, in a fictional story.
You most certainly are missing the point. They could be on screen for two seconds and it would be the same. They could be billed in the credits and not appear at all in the film. Same thing. You don't understand what's at issue here.
July 17, 2026, 01:21 PM
oddball
quote:
Originally posted by Prefontaine:
I guess people need outrage in their lives.



Might as well use the word hater.

No "outrage", anger or hate on my part, but disgust, intolerance. I'm deeply allergic to bullshit and will avoid bullshit if I have the choice. And with this DEI bullshit, I choose not to play a game that insults my intelligence. If Bud-Light is the best tasting beer on the planet, I still won't buy it, I won't play along.

In regards to screen time, assuming a role is insignificant because of lack of screen time is a wrong assumption. A classic case of this is the role of Draco Malfoy played by actor Tom Felton in the Harry Potter films; in all of the eight films, he played a very important and crucial role in the series and logged in just 31 minutes total of screen time for all eight films, an average of less than 4 minutes per film.



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July 17, 2026, 01:25 PM
DanH
Don't forget Dame Judi Dench won an Oscar for Supporting Actress in Shakespeare In Love for 5 minutes and 52 seconds of screen time. A bunch of Oscar voters thought that was long enough.
July 17, 2026, 03:14 PM
P220 Smudge
quote:
Originally posted by oddball:
quote:
Originally posted by Prefontaine:
I guess people need outrage in their lives.



Got another one that applies to.

quote:
Originally posted by Prefontaine:
It’s fiction though.


quote:
Originally posted by Prefontaine:
The politicization of a fiction film is funny though.


quote:
Originally posted by Prefontaine:
Oh my, in a fictional story Big Grin LMAO.


quote:
Originally posted by Prefontaine:
And fuck no I don’t care about casting in some fictional story.


quote:
Originally posted by Prefontaine:
But this is fucking fiction man.


quote:
Originally posted by Prefontaine:
It’s a fictional story and I’ll watch it at the end of the year.


quote:
Originally posted by Prefontaine:
5 minutes of screen time equates to 2 minutes 30 seconds per character that many were up in arms over, in a fictional story.



Holy fuck, it's like Bluesky in here. I'll let the Drinker address this brain-dead take.



This is one of the foundational tales of western society. Additionally, it's a collection of oral histories about a trade war that archaeology has determined actually happened. I'm not outraged, I'm tired. There's a difference. If you want to carry their water, I guess that can be your burden, but being a lolbro about it with us doesn't really effectively make the case.


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July 17, 2026, 06:35 PM
benny6
quote:
Originally posted by Green Highlander:
Just got back from seeing it. I’m still trying to figure out how I feel about.

It is a beautiful film and a has some stunning visuals. In that regard it is an amazing movie.

My ambivalence comes from the storytelling aspect. I have great respect for the source material (at least the Fitzgerald translation) from my classics courses in college. I understand certain license needs to be accepted in condensing the story down to a just under three hour movie. Yet I am left questioning some of the narrative choices. It felt like the tribulations of the journey home were minimalized in favor of other areas of emphasis. Also a great deal is made of a concept I do not recall from the actual Odyssey. In some ways it felt like the story told was smaller in scope than the grandeur of the epic.

I’m going to need to let this sit and marinate for while before I reach my final verdict.


FYI: The characters of Helen and Sinon have less than 5 minutes of combined screen time and are almost irrelevant. Odysseus’ dog spends far more time on screen and is more important to the story.


If you have to think about it, you thought it wasn't a good movie. I know a good movie when I see one. Project Hail Mary, F1, Top Gun Maverick, the new Dune movies etc...

This movie was made to cause arguments (as evident by reading this thread) and I won't be part of it.

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July 17, 2026, 10:08 PM
BMR
I think I'd rather watch "Ulysses" from 1954 with Kirk Douglas. At least then they knew what men and women were and DEI wasn't a thing.



July 18, 2026, 09:26 AM
downeastnc1
Still debating ?
July 18, 2026, 12:38 PM
2BobTanner
Here’s a review posted at Townhall.com by á commentator. It contains “spoilers” of the movie. You are forewarned !!!

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...iew-sat-vip-n2679579

The Odyssey Review: Nolan's Epic Failure
Amy Curtis

The s**t I do for a story.

A year ago, I was genuinely looking forward to seeing Christopher Nolan's 'The Odyssey.' It was Christopher Nolan, who directed some of my favorite movies, including 'The Dark Knight,' 'Interstellar,' and the Oscar-winning 'Oppenheimer.' And it was Homer's 'Odyssey'—one of the foundational texts of Greek culture and Western civilization. In addition to being a cinephile (who has been going to movies since she was 13 and has seen 100 films this year alone), I'm an English major, so I've read the work several times. I have a translation on my bookshelf that's followed me since college.

On top of that, the entire ethos around 'The Odyssey'—the male hero's journey—is tailor made for conservative folks like me and red-state America. It was undoubtedly going to be a smash, right?

The only reason I didn't buy a ticket when they went on sale 365 days ago was that I know me, and I know my life. Something would have come up and thwarted those carefully laid plans. Back in January, I bought tickets a few weeks in advance to see 'The Lord of the Rings' back on the big screen over three weekends to celebrate my birthday. Then Wisconsin turned into Hoth, and my pipes froze. I missed 'The Fellowship of the Ring' because I was dealing with a plumber. True, it's July now, and my pipes can't freeze, but there are always tornadoes, and Wisconsin is currently blanketed by Canadian wildfire smoke.

But I digress.

It turns out a year is a long time in politics and Hollywood. Because as we moved closer to the release of Nolan's 'Odyssey', the excitement that I—and many others—felt about this movie began to chip away under the rumors of casting, the translation Nolan based the film on, and a wave of scolding from the woke media about how we just didn't get what Nolan was doing.

Soon, it became clear that 'The Odyssey' wasn't about the movie making, Homer's epic, or the audiences. It was a political vehicle, and one that actively hated the audience it should have been targeting, that aforementioned red-state America.

Despite that, I tried to go into the film with an open mind yesterday evening. I tried to set aside my concerns about making Lupita Nyong'o Helen of Troy, casting Zendaya as Athena, and shoehorning Ellen Page into the film as a Greek warrior. Maybe I would be pleasantly surprised. Maybe it wasn't so bad. Heck, it might even be good, or at least entertaining.

I regret to inform you that 'The Odyssey' isn't as bad as I thought it would be. It's orders of magnitude worse. But not for the reasons you'd think.

It's a poorly written, poorly directed, poorly made film.

(Editor's note: this review contains spoilers of the film)

First, let's address the casting choices, and not just Lupita Nyong'o and Ellen Page. The problem with putting big-name movie stars in your film is that most audiences will see the big-name actor and not the character, which happens throughout this movie. That's not Calypso, it's Charlize Theron. That's not Antinous, that's Robert Pattinson, etc. etc. Even Matt Damon is miscast as Odysseus. Zendaya, who is on screen for about five minutes as Athena, constantly looks like she just smelled a nasty fart off-camera. Her expression never changes, and she's supposed to be the goddess of wisdom. Nolan undermines Nyong'o's Helen of Troy by having the 'face that launched a thousand ships' disfigured by the war it started.

And Ellen Page is Sinon, who is not in the poem. Rumors were that she would be playing Achilles, but no. Achilles, who is a pivotal character in the text of 'The Odyssey,' doesn't make an appearance at all in the film. Odysseus later describes Sinon as the 'bravest' warrior, too, and for what? On screen, Sinon is seen sitting on a beach by the Trojan horse, then comically running to meet approaching troops. Sinon is killed, pierced by arrows, but not before he tells the troops the horse is a gift for Athena. It's clear Page intentionally lowered her voice to seem more masculine, and to get around the fact that she's tiny—just five feet, one inch tall, according to IMDb—Nolan is careful never to really film her next to other actors.

It still amazes me that they couldn't be bothered to find a Greek to cast in this movie, but that Odysseus' crew included an Indian and an Asian, as did the suitors pursuing Penelope.

But the problems go beyond the casting.

If you are not familiar with 'The Odyssey,' you will be lost. The story is broken up into time jumps, largely framed by Odysseus on Calypso's island, telling most of the tale as a flashback. But if you don't know how the story progresses, you have no idea what is going on. The pacing is off, with some parts dragging and others moving so fast it's unclear what just happened. For example, the film jumps immediately from the encounter with the Sirens to the encounter with Charybdis and the strait of Scylla without even a beat to absorb what happened.

The names of the characters aren't articulated, nor are their relationships. Perhaps part of that is because the sound is muddy, and some lines of dialogue are lost to the sounds of battle, the score, or just low volume. There's one scene where Nolan intentionally mutes the sound entirely when they encounter the Sirens. Speaking only for myself, I would have liked to see how he brought their ethereal voices—voices men die for—to life. But nope. We got wax in our ears, too, and we could only watch as Matt Damon screamed, tied to the mast of his ship.

Simply put, if I had streamed this at home, I would have put on the closed captions.

Nolan said he avoided using a traditional orchestra for the score because those instruments didn't exist in Ancient Greek times. That's the only Greek representation the film had, it seems, and the result was a score that was often jarring, discordant, and distracting. I left quickly when the closing credits rolled because the music, if we can call it that, sounded more like nails on a chalkboard than anything else.

The fight sequences—which should be epic in, well, an epic film—were dark, with shaky cameras and lots of cuts. There were times I didn't know which character I was looking at. Was that Odysseus? Was it Menelaus? Who is fighting on screen and why should I care about them? At the end, when Odysseus gets home and confronts the suitors who have been plaguing his family, I had no idea he'd been pierced with spears until the fight ended and Matt Damon had two long bits of wood sticking out of his back.

And then there are the changes Nolan made to the characters and story itself, probably the biggest problem of the film. This has to be borne of using Emily Wilson's feminist-lens translation. Let's take a look at the difference between the one written by Robert Fagles and Wilson.

Emily Wilson completely changes the meaning of Homer's Odyssey.

On the left is Robert Fagles' brilliant translation of Homer's epic. Reading Odysseus' conquest at Troy, you get the sense that this is a man full of glory who is proud to have conquered his enemies at Troy.

On… pic.twitter.com/1vHmXfEksB

— Liza Libes (@pensandpoison) July 17, 2026
Here's Fagles' translation:

... the prime of Argive power lay in wait

with death and slaughter bearing down on Troy.

And he sang how troops of Achaeans broke from cover,

streaming out of the horse's hollow flanks to plunder Troy—

he sang how left and right they ravaged the steep city,

sang how Odysseus marched right up to Deiphobus' house

like the god of war on attack with diehard Menelaus.

There, he sang, Odysseus fought the grimmest fight

he had ever braved but he won through at last,

thanks to Athena's superhuman power.

And here's Wilson's:

The town was doomed to ruin when it took

that horse, chock-full of fighters bringing death

to Trojans. And he sang how the Achaeans

poured from the horse, in ambush from the hollow,

and sacked the city; how they scattered out,

destroying every neighborhood. Like Ares,

Odysseus, with Menelaus, rushed

to find Deiphobus' house, and there

he won at last, through dreadful violence,

thanks to Athena. So the poet sang.

See the difference? In Fagles' translation, Odysseus is brave, a warrior, engaged in an honorable and noble fight. In Wilson's, he's violent. In Nolan's film, when Odysseus returns to Ithaca and speaks to Penelope as a beggar, he expresses regrets for the war on Troy, the Trojan horse, and what he claims they unleashed on the world. He speaks like a soldier with PTSD and not the honorable, albeit hubristic, war hero he saw himself as. Obviously, Odysseus had regrets. He lost his men, whom he wanted to bring home safely, and his own mistakes, often borne from that hubris.

This included telling the Cyclops his name—which was either omitted from the film or said so quickly I missed it. That is a pivotal scene because it's what allows Polyphemus to call on Poseidon for revenge, which is what makes the journey home so long and so deadly. And like the other scenes, the cave with the Cyclops is dark, so it's hard to tell what's going on, what the plan of escape actually is, and how it's executed.

The entire thrust of the book is that Odysseus wants to return home to his wife and son, and when he finally does, Nolan has Odysseus and Penelope pack up and head west to honor his men, leaving Telemachus king of Ithaca. That doesn't happen in the book, either. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of Odysseus and his motives. But again, Nolan used a translation of the work that treated Odysseus negatively.

He's not the only one tampered with, however. As I mentioned, Helen of Troy's face is disfigured in this adaptation, and when Telemachus visits her and Menelaus in Sparta, Helen whispers an apology to Telemachus for starting the war. That's a significant change from the book, where Helen says Aphrodite led her astray, and her actions are far more complex and interesting. She tells Telemachus of a time Odysseus snuck into Troy as a beggar and kept his secret until he escaped, and Menelaus shares a story of how Helen walked around the Trojan horse, mimicking the voices of the Greek warriors' wives to see if any would respond.

Helen's sister, Clytemnestra, has her motive for killing Agamemnon changed entirely. In the book, she's a faithless wife who entered into an affair with Aegisthus after Agamemnon left for war. This adulterous relationship is why Agamemnon is killed, and Clytemnestra herself doesn't do it. In the film, she kills Agamemnon as revenge for sacrificing their daughter, Iphigenia, to the gods in exchange for help with the Trojan War. Later Greek works add the revenge motive to Agamemnon's death. But by eliminating the adulterous relationship and making the revenge about her daughter, Clytemnestra is no longer a complex character; she's the girl-boss taking down the man who killed a child.

Circe, the cunning and powerful woman who turns Odysseus' men into pigs, plays the victim when Odysseus confronts her. It's off-putting for a character who, in the books, does not claim the men had it coming or that she was somehow wronged.

And, as someone else pointed out, the women get far less screen time in this film than they do in the book, and other female characters, including Nausicaa, are omitted entirely from Nolan's adaptation. Perhaps Lupita Nyong'o should ask Nolan about women and screen time, and not Homer, as the latter gave them more.

This controversy will become funnier when people see the movie, as both Helen and all the other women of the film are given much less "screen time" than Homer gives to them, not to mention all the other women (Nausicaa being the major one) cut out altogether. https://t.co/qLSHwWKttD

— Iosif Lazaridis (@iosif_lazaridis) July 16, 2026
Oh, and if you like dogs, as I do, be forewarned: there are a few short scenes of disturbing abuse of dogs that bothered me quite a bit, including John Leguizamo's Eumaeus throwing a puppy off a cliff. Perhaps that was authentic to the time, but in a film where authenticity to the Greek source material was spotty at best, Nolan could have omitted that bit.

Ultimately, it's clear that Nolan, who has struggled with creating historical epics in the past (see: 'Dunkirk'), was in over his head. He has no appreciation for the source material (and I'm not talking about Wilson's translation), no concept of who Odysseus was or what he stands for, or how to bring such a complex and epic tale to life. Had it been better paced, better edited, with better lighting and sound, it could have been entertaining, despite the casting choices. Instead, it was a dull, discordant, dragging mess of an epic.


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July 18, 2026, 04:55 PM
FenderBender
I just got back, and I'm going to just further agree with Pageau from the video I posted on page 4.

This film isn't for everyone, and that's all I'm going to say on the matter.


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July 18, 2026, 07:17 PM
oddball
quote:
Originally posted by 2BobTanner:
If you are not familiar with 'The Odyssey,' you will be lost. The story is broken up into time jumps...

I have been a fan of Nolan's throughout his career, and I know he hasn't hit it out of the park every time; there were outstanding, excellent, good and average films. His earlier films, in particular Memento, Insomnia, and the Dark Knight are my favorites. But after that, it seems "Nolan" films became a sub-genre, almost a gimmick, a bag of tricks. His tics, his "Nolanisms" had become the major part of his filmmaking, and in his recent films, IMO, have become an albatross, in particular Tenet. His non-linear, time-shifting storytelling, his use of rhythmic bombastic music to build emotion, lack of character development, they become just mere components of the Nolan blast of your senses approach. Many times, he uses a film magic trick (The Prestige) to trick the audience into thinking what they have just witnessed was somehow more complex and meaningful than it really is.

Towards the end, his movies keep getting bigger and bolder, but he still can’t write fully fleshed out characters. He hires top notch actors, but many times, we fail to relate to them emotionally, even though they were "technically" great. Which makes Top Gun Maverick a more satisfying film than recent Nolan movies- you can invest a lot more emotion and relatability into the Maverick characters than Nolan ones.



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July 18, 2026, 07:43 PM
flesheatingvirus
Sounds like garbage. I'll pass.


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July 19, 2026, 10:30 AM
parabellum
quote:
Originally posted by FenderBender:
This film isn't for everyone...
Well, what film is?
July 19, 2026, 12:27 PM
FenderBender
quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
quote:
Originally posted by FenderBender:
This film isn't for everyone...
Well, what film is?


Blazing Saddles.


Another historian review



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July 19, 2026, 07:15 PM
P220 Smudge


Interesting. No matter how I try, YouTube will not allow me to embed Nerdrotic's review. How curious.

No matter, here is the link. Looks like it's a shit film (why are we bolding film?) and Nolan did indeed don the DEI kneepads.


https://youtu.be/zIHfhQnmg7Q


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