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Originally posted by cas:
^ If nothing else, at least they'll have a search warrant when they come back.


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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
"Oh, that thing?
I bought it as a gag but I threw it away. Now get off my property and go fuck yourself"
Easy peasy.


...and then you'd sure as hell better not still have said item.
 
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"Oh, that thing?
I bought it as a gag but I threw it away. Now get off my property and go fuck yourself"
Easy peasy.


Lying to a federal agent is not going to end well.


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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
"Oh, that thing?
I bought it as a gag but I threw it away. Now get off my property and go fuck yourself"
Easy peasy.


Lying to a federal agent is not going to end well.


Can’t lie to them if you don’t talk to them. There’s no law that requires you to engage with them.



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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
"Oh, that thing?
I bought it as a gag but I threw it away. Now get off my property and go fuck yourself"
Easy peasy.


Lying to a federal agent is not going to end well.


But is it legal to tell them to go fu## themselves ??
 
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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
"Oh, that thing?
I bought it as a gag but I threw it away. Now get off my property and go fuck yourself"
Easy peasy.


Lying to a federal agent is not going to end well.


But is it legal to tell them to go fu## themselves ??


Why wouldn't it be? They gonna write you a disorderly cite?
 
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"Sir, I am going to invoke my 5th Amendment right at this time and not answer any questions. Thank you and goodbye".

Kill em' with kindness.


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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
"Oh, that thing?
I bought it as a gag but I threw it away. Now get off my property and go fuck yourself"
Easy peasy.


Lying to a federal agent is not going to end well.

A. Am I lying? Prove it.
B. If they are coming into my home by force to try to take my property it isn't going to end well in any case for anyone.
C. I don't respect their au-thor-eh-tah!
 
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Originally posted by JoshNC:
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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
"Oh, that thing?
I bought it as a gag but I threw it away. Now get off my property and go fuck yourself"
Easy peasy.


Lying to a federal agent is not going to end well.

A. Am I lying? Prove it.
B. If they are coming into my home by force to try to take my property it isn't going to end well in any case for anyone.
C. I don't respect their au-thor-eh-tah!


I get it Ryan but I won't start anything. That's kinda what they want.
Said object, whatever it may be, will probably be removed off my premises in the event they do come back with a warrant.
Remember, a valid search warrant is legal.
I doubt they would come back in force unless directly threatened.


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"Legal" is such a relative and almost meaningless term to me now.
Legal seems to be whatever our overlords want it to be on any particular day.
Of course I say a lot tongue in cheek and will not start shit but my sentiment is that these entities are in no way different than the ones coming for the guns in 1930's Germany.
 
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"Legal" is such a relative and almost meaningless term to me now.
Legal seems to be whatever our overlords want it to be on any particular day.
Of course I say a lot tongue in cheek and will not start shit but my sentiment is that these entities are in no way different than the ones coming for the guns in 1930's Germany.


You're absolutely right and I feel the same way.
"Legal" is one thing and "Overreach" is another. The 2 get blurry at times as some tend to make up rules(didn't say laws) on the fly and expect that an item is good one day and not good the next.
We've seen that with bump stocks, triggers and more.


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I am going to invoke my 5th Amendment right at this time and not answer any questions.

I believe that’s a much better response than indulging in and expressing our outrage and frustrations in a hostile or profane manner.

A question, though, for the lawyers:
As I understood it, at one time choosing to exercise one’s right to remain silent when questioned by law enforcement agents could not be challenged or even referred to in a criminal trial. Some time ago, however, I read of a case in which a police officer was being questioned in reference to a criminal allegation, and she limited her refusal to discuss the matter to, “I don’t want to say anything,” (or words to that effect). What she did not do was state that she was exercising her Fifth Amendment right to remain silent.

At trial her refusal to answer questions was raised by the prosecution, and when the defense objected, the judge ruled that because she hadn’t affirmatively stated that she was exercising her Fifth Amendment rights, her silence/refusal to answer questions could be introduced.

That struck me as an outrageous limiting of one’s right to remain silent (what if someone said, “I’m exercising my 75th Amendment right to remain silent”?). I don’t know how the matter may have been decided on appeal, if at all, but it has stuck with me. Since that ruling I have resolved to remember it if I were ever in a situation in which it was best to not speak to law enforcement agents. Answering questions at one’s door isn’t the same as being formally questioned in connection with a criminal allegation, but it’s close enough for my concerns.




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The term “Miranda Rights” comes from a historic 1966 U.S. Supreme Court case called Miranda v. Arizona. The court held that if the police want to question (interrogate) a person in police custody, they must tell them of the Fifth Amendment protection against self-incriminating statements and their right to an attorney.Aug 12, 2020


Sigfreund, I think this would apply to what you're talking about.
At a front door setting, I would do the same as it would be local LE, State or Federal. Basically someone who works for a LE agency.
If it didn't work, and I think it would but I'm not a lawyer, then I would invoke that right at the time of questioning.
I've seen videos of people just saying, "I'm not talking to you" and it's not the same as invoking the 5th Amendment.

Sorry for the thread drift Para.


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