Smith released this new 9MM carbine tonight. It has changeable magwells, so you can use M&P mags or Glock mags. MSRP $799



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I’ll be in for one when they release a pistol version…assuming it works well which I imagine it will.

Just curiosity why would one want the pistol version of a 16.5" barreled gun?

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Originally posted by hrcjon:
Just curiosity why would one want the pistol version of a 16.5" barreled gun?

Well .223 ammo is $600 for a case right now so you can shoot a similar style gun with the same controls for much cheaper.

^^^ Unfortunately, 9mm isn't much cheaper than .223/5.56 now but I see it's appeal. Personally, I think it's on the ugly side but it's a good move for S&W as many people own Glocks and they know that people want more options,especially since Glock doesn't have an official carbine of it's own, although it would be nice. I like the FPC due to it's folding capability/magazine in the grip option and wonder how much impact this model will have on the FPC and it's future. It will be interesting seeing how this gun does.

Yawn.

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Originally posted by patw:
^^^ Unfortunately, 9mm isn't much cheaper than .223/5.56 now

Not as I see it. Ammoseek.com -- new ammo, any case, eliminate the oddball outlet or two with really low prices. Prices per round for the first page of Ammoseek's search, not including freight:

9mm -- from 20.0 to 23.2 cents per round

223 Remy -- from 42.9 to 52.9 cents per round

Of course, these are FMJ rounds. Big price difference to me.

Why do companies not use Colt smg magazines?

Interestingly, the grip is modeled on the M&P grip, and uses interchangeable M&P backstraps.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
Why do companies not use Colt smg magazines?

Because S&W doesn't want to have to license and tool up for a different magazine design when they can just use their own design that they're already producing.

And because a certain segment is fixated on the idea of their handguns and PCCs sharing magazines.

Plus, with S&W's stated goal of this rifle being to "break barriers for those looking to enter the pistol caliber carbine market", it seems that they're aiming at the budget/cost-conscious crowd, and want to be able to say as a selling point: See, you already have some spare M&P/Glock magazines, so you can save money by not having to buy as many more magazines for this PCC.

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Originally posted by DaBigBR:
Yawn.

Yes, I think they should have stopped at their Folding Pistol Carbine, which makes sense. The idea is to have a compact rifle which can be stowed in a small space. The FPC fits this role quite nicely. Assuming a shooter has access to 5.56mm ammunition, the only advantage the FPC has is size.

If I am going to have a 5.56-sized rifle, it should be in 5.56 or the other calibers AR15-type rifles are being chambered in these days.

I wonder if, considering the name, they're marketing it heavily toward LE. I know my local PD just opted to equip its officers with 9mm carbines. Don't ask me why, but maybe it's a trend in LE.

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Originally posted by KSGM:
I wonder if, considering the name, they're marketing it heavily toward LE. I know my local PD just opted to equip its officers with 9mm carbines. Don't ask me why, but maybe it's a trend in LE.

That's interesting, and not a trend I've witnessed here. Do you know if they're rolling them out to everybody or is it limited to certain roles? I know of a few MPXs and MP5s issued locally for specialized details, but patrol is pretty much universally 5.56, which I much prefer.

I asked an acquaintance in the department. He said it was due to concerns of overpenetration, with something like an AR in 5.56. I think that's more of an ammo choice thing, but hey. Apparently it's an initiative of the new Chief. All the officers are getting the 9mm carbines, while two senior officers will have AR15s. It is a small dept. By the sounds of it, it's likely not indicative of any trend in the broader LE spectrum.

I am betting Smith will get a piece of the three gun and Steel Challenge market also with this introduction.

There are not a lot of options between the $600.00 Ruger 9mm carbine vs. the JP Enterprises GMR15 or the JP15 that start at $1800 and go up to $3500 - each (ouch) unless you build your own (like I did with parts from Palmetto State Armory).

Once the dust settles I will have to handle one to see how it feels since I shoot about 300-500 rounds a month thru my PCC 9mm AR