Am I missing something here? Vortex Strike Eagle has illuminated BDC reticle, capped turrets and weighs 17.6 oz.

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Originally posted by Chris Orndorff:
Am I missing something here? Vortex Strike Eagle has illuminated BDC reticle, capped turrets and weighs 17.6 oz.

Bingo.

Is the Strike Eagle the fanciest LPV out there? No.
Will the webz commandos gripe because it is manufactured in China? Definitely.
Is there a little distortion around the edges of the sight picture? Yep, but the center picture is clear.
Does it get the job done? Absolutely.

I have a Strike Eagle. Not in the league of my Nightforce optics, but the lowly Strike Eagle does quite well for the carbine on which it resides.

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Originally posted by smithnsig:

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Originally posted by IndianaBoy:
I have looked through the Kahles. It is exceptional. I don’t think it is enough better than the Razor to justify the cost. Unless weight is a BIG factor.

I have looked through most of the 1-6 optics discussed in this thread. I vote Razor, but I think you would be satisfied with the 1-5 Steiner at a lower price point and lower weight.

Dang IB, what’s the eye relief on the vortex? That’s almost a scout mount. Do you get up on it prone? Is it that forgiving?

It is that forgiving. I actually wish I had a bit more eye relief on the mount for the Steiner as well.

The Vortex PST Gen 2 1-6 has great eye relief and eye box as well. It's so easy to get behind its crazy.

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Originally posted by Chris Orndorff:
Am I missing something here? Vortex Strike Eagle has illuminated BDC reticle, capped turrets and weighs 17.6 oz.

Strike eagles and PAcare cool scopes for the price but I’m wanting some crystal. The SE was real fuzzy on the one I shot. Not crazy about hooded reticles. I tend to put the top of the hood on target if I’m pulling up the rifle. I know it’s minor recorrection but it irked me. Not crazy about nightforce reticles either so it’s not a money thing.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
The Vortex PST Gen 2 1-6 has great eye relief and eye box as well. It's so easy to get behind its crazy.

You know if they had the JM1 in the Viper it would be a no brainer.
Decisions...

BTW..Santa Rosa shooting center is putting in a 200 and 300 yard bay with steel plates. Supposed to start this winter.

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Originally posted by smithnsig:
BTW..Santa Rosa shooting center is putting in a 200 and 300 yard bay with steel plates. Supposed to start this winter.

Yeah, not a fan of the RSO-Nazis that used to inhabit that place and maybe still do, especially when I had to point out they were committing a felony by creating a firearms registry of NFA owners (they were demanding copies of Form 1/4s and keeping them - I told them to fuck off).

That and the bubba gump 1 round every 3 seconds, Spanish inquisition of NFA item shooters every 10 minutes - I'll never set foot in there again and I lay on the horn every time I drive by the place.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by smithnsig:
BTW..Santa Rosa shooting center is putting in a 200 and 300 yard bay with steel plates. Supposed to start this winter.

Yeah, not a fan of the RSO-Nazis that used to inhabit that place and maybe still do, especially when I had to point out they were committing a felony by creating a firearms registry of NFA owners (they were demanding copies of Form 1/4s and keeping them - I told them to fuck off).

That and the bubba gump 1 round every 3 seconds, Spanish inquisition of NFA item shooters every 10 minutes - I'll never set foot in there again and I lay on the horn every time I drive by the place.

They fixed all that. Pretty cool place now.

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Originally posted by smithnsig:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
The Vortex PST Gen 2 1-6 has great eye relief and eye box as well. It's so easy to get behind its crazy.

You know if they had the JM1 in the Viper it would be a no brainer.
Decisions...

BTW..Santa Rosa shooting center is putting in a 200 and 300 yard bay with steel plates. Supposed to start this winter.

I heard on a podcast with a Vortex employee that the PST may have the JM1 as an option soon.

The Vortex Razor certainly helps rapidly engage targets near and far.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wP8m0h7R2jA

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Originally posted by onpointgun:
VX6 Multigun





I like my VX6 multigun.

Like I said it took me time to find mine but when I did I picked it up for $700

Have you looked at the SWFA 1-6? I have one on an AR15 and just use the hash Mark's for holdovers. It's a little heavy at 22 oz. If you can hold off until Thanksgiving, SWFA typically puts them on sale for several hundred $$ off.

I have a Leupold Mk 6 1-6X24 scope and really dislike the pinch turret caps and the unforgiving eye box. If I had it to do over I'd look else where,

Ok so I ordered a Razor HD Gen 2 old model JM1 From eurooptic for $949.00. This is the heavy version. I have a heavy stainless barrel AR that is a pig anyway. I’m not worried about weight on this one. It’s not the one I’m going to bounce down the trail with. It will be on a bench or a bipod.

If it’s as good as they say, I may get the E version for my lighter weight rifle. They have the same grip, safety, trigger. One is just about 1.5 lbs lighter than the Other. If I’m not blown away, I still may go with the VX6 HD BDC at about 15 oz.

I’ll put this one through the ringer and see what I think.

The SS 1-6x24 would be a good choice.

https://swfa.com/swfa-ss-hd-1-...30mm-riflescope.html

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Originally posted by smithnsig:
I ordered a Razor HD Gen 2 old model JM1

The Razor has good glass and is built like a tank. I've shot a couple of carbines that have them, and looked through a few more Razors in stores.

The only issue I have with the Razor is the narrow width of the reticle's hold over subtensions. The 3 gun guys who shoot the Razors generally state they don't have issues with the subtensions, but I find them hard to see when the target background is dark or includes lines. Thus, I struggled when shooting at unpainted steel or targets which have branches nearby.

Razor's subtension widths:
2.8 MOA -- 300 yard holdover, assuming zero at 50/500 yards
2.1 MOA -- 400 yard holdover
1.7 MOA -- 500 yard
1.4 MOA -- 600 yard

By comparison, the Vortex Strike Eagle's subtention widths:
6 MOA -- 300 yard holdover, assuming zero at 50/500 yards
4.5 MOA -- 400 yard holdover
3.6 MOA -- 500 yard
3 MOA -- 600 yard

There's no question that the Razor has superior glass. IMO the Strike Eagle's reticle is easier to use for holdovers, as its reticle subtensions are twice as wide

Yeah you would think that the 3 gunners would like illuminated sub tens for holdover at least on the top of the line. I’ve seen mil and moa illuminated complete reticles but the were awfully busy for runnin and gunnin.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Yeah, not a fan of the RSO-Nazis that used to inhabit that place and maybe still do, especially when I had to point out they were committing a felony by creating a firearms registry of NFA owners (they were demanding copies of Form 1/4s and keeping them . . .

What statute, Fed or state, do you think they were violating?

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Originally posted by DMF:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Yeah, not a fan of the RSO-Nazis that used to inhabit that place and maybe still do, especially when I had to point out they were committing a felony by creating a firearms registry of NFA owners (they were demanding copies of Form 1/4s and keeping them . . .

What statute, Fed or state, do you think they were violating?

At one time it was county owned. In Florida, it is illegal for a gov agency to maintain a registry of gun owners.

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Originally posted by smithnsig:
Yeah you would think that the 3 gunners would like illuminated sub tens for holdover at least on the top of the line.

I haven't shot with illumination during full daylight. For me it's not the illumination, but rather the bolder and wider subtentions that make a retical such as the Strike Eagle's easier to use for hold overs than the JM1.