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My primary and favorite carbine is my USC's that were converted. I have 2 of them. One I will leave the 16" barrel on, the other at some point I will have converted to an SBR.

I'm a huge 45 ACP fan, and these rifles work very well for me.
 
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I am not quite following the problem with available cartridge chamberings for a lever action.
.30-30
.44 mag/.44 spl
.357 mag/.38 all
.45-70
.45LC


Well proven in one sense or another, no doubt, but none is a cartridge I’d care to have a rifle chambered for. To each his own and I never criticize others’ choices (unless they ask for my opinion) but not for me given the availability of what I consider to be much better choices for almost any purpose I would want a rifle for. Smile




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I'm a huge 45 ACP fan, and these rifles work very well for me

I'm more or less with sigfreund on the idea one doesn't criticize someones choice of caliber. And I am one of those with a real affinity for converted USC's having done a couple. But there is nothing that I would consider even moderately 'rifle like' about a .45acp carbine.


“So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.”
 
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Regarding useful calibers and limitations:

he Savage Model 99 is chambered in a multitude of calibers for just about any purpose. There are other lever guns in similar chamberings,

The AR-15 is available in even more chamberings. My first choice in AR is not necessarily 5.56. I find 6.8 SPC particularly useful and would bridge the self-defense to hunting divide.

The AR is relatively simple to use and first time shooters often perform well with an AR.
 
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It seems, so far, that the only alternative weapons being seriously considered are bullpups. I certainly see why that appeals. I had an AUG, and liked it well enough, but I don't miss it. That's certainly one of those personal things; you either like the bullpup or you don't. Well, actually, in my case, I am almost indifferent; I see the merits and respect the design, but ultimately prefer the AR.

The lever guns are getting a healthy mention, in the context of some current geographical legal limitations. Potential future limitations have been mentioned as well, which is frightening, but certainly valid.

Caliber has also come up. The AR is synonymous with 5.56, and that's what I had in mind. I think that's the way to go to, considering availability, but I respect the caliber's limitations. hrcjon mentioned he wouldn't have it in 5.56; what, then, would you choose instead?
 
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I'm not sure exactly what circumstance would lead me to be in the 'you have 30 seconds' grab and go (deadly gas cloud?, bombs inbound?) but what I am taking in that circumstance is a .308 Scar17. Not because its perfect but because its way better overall than an AR for that overall survival circumstance and I trust that I can keep it running long enough to develop other longer term options. Now if you give me 15 minutes to get ready I will make other choices.


“So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.”
 
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I love my 553 sb and 553 lb. The folding stock and aluminum lower make for an excellent truck gun which I take camping often. Sure they are a little heavier but style counts for something right? Wink

I have a 9mm AR and ten or so AR's with varying calibers for options should the SHTF. Weight isn't so much a factor for me since I don't plan on walking anywhere. I'm more of a bug in kind of guy. Concealability is something i think is important and the folding stock on the 550 series rifle makes it an important choice.

I'm not so worried about a particular gun. I am worried about being good with them. It does get hard switching rifles with differing optics. I have tried to keep them standardized with MOA adjustments and similar sight in distances.
 
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It seems, so far, that the only alternative weapons being seriously considered are bullpups. I certainly see why that appeals. I had an AUG, and liked it well enough, but I don't miss it. That's certainly one of those personal things; you either like the bullpup or you don't. Well, actually, in my case, I am almost indifferent; I see the merits and respect the design, but ultimately prefer the AR.

The lever guns are getting a healthy mention, in the context of some current geographical legal limitations. Potential future limitations have been mentioned as well, which is frightening, but certainly valid.

Caliber has also come up. The AR is synonymous with 5.56, and that's what I had in mind. I think that's the way to go to, considering availability, but I respect the caliber's limitations. hrcjon mentioned he wouldn't have it in 5.56; what, then, would you choose instead?


A "primary carbine" in a limited chambering is foolish, IMO. Good luck finding ammo other than what you're carrying in a pinch.
 
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I'm not so worried about a particular gun. I am worried about being good with them.

That goes without saying.

hrcjon,
There's no thirty-second time limit.

I know everyone has a different plan. I plan to be mobile, in that SHTF scenario. So, when we're talking 5.56 vs .308, I'd rather have more than twice as many rounds of 5.56 on me.

Edit: My initial appraisal was a bit generous to 5.56, in terms of ammo carriage. I still maintain that it has an edge in that regard though.

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Not a better option than my 5.56 AR or AR pistol (CMMG Banshee in 10 mm), but my tacticool M1 carbine with red dot IS dead-nuts reliable, short, light, and super-handy. Sure, only a 100m rifle (sure, I can loft rounds to 150m or even 200m), but that should be plenty for most situations. Nostalgia...
 
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I know a couple of guys who have selected the Sig MPX for their BOB.
 
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My carbines:
Mini 14 .223
Marlin 336 SBL .30-30
Ruger PC Carbine with Glock adapter.


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Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles
 
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I prefer the Mini 14. I use it primarily for predator control, foxes and racoons in the henhouse or sheep pen. Small targets at close range, sometimes within 15 feet, at night.

I once shot a rabid racoon at 15 feet.

I prefer the Ruger because the sights are not elevated above the barrel, which I think makes it more accurate at close ranges. The wood stock is also more familiar to me. Because I am old and set in my ways....

I never had an AR15 until about ten years ago when the prices came down.


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I really like the AR-15 platform, however the SIG 556 is my fallback. Nothing beats a gas piston for reliability.
 
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I came of age among cousins and acquaintances, who were returning from SE Asia, with no love for the M16. So, I was not programmed to love the AR15/M16 system. Nearby Houston, Texas was still an oil boom town, in the early Eighties, while the rest of the USA was in a recession, so, I sought adventure by applying with Houston PD, rather than going the military route. At that time, patrol rifles were not allowed by HPD. So, I totally missed being indoctrinated, in early life, in the AR15 system. There was, at the time, good reason for me to use something other than an AR15, as a personal carbine. I did develop an interest in the HK91/G3 system, and the FN FAL system, but did not buy into either system.

The events of September 11th, 2001 caused a turnabout in PD policy, regarding patrol rifles. So, at age 40, I became acquainted with the AR15. The high line-of-sight, relative to the bore axis, was, well, interesting. The safety selector lever, being ready to fire, WHEN THE DINGUS WAS DOWN, was also, well, interesting. Nearly two decades of using weapons that were ready to fire, when the safety lever was aligned with the target/opponent, required some serious mental re-wiring.

I voluntarily let my “patrol carbine unit” status lapse, after there were plenty of young bucks who had become certified to carry the AR15 on duty. I sold my Colt AR15A2 Govt Carbine to one of them. Working straight night shift, the shotgun was still my friend. (Plus, PD rules allowed getting out of the car, with the shotgun, at my discretion, whereas specific circumstances had to exist, before the patrol rifle could be deployed, from its mandated place in the trunk of the vehicle.)

So, there was no reason to remain with the AR15/M4 system. I did eventually acquire/assemble a lower, and added a BCM Lightweight Middy upper, in order to maintain familiarity with the system that my colleagues were using. I updated to a complete BCM weapon, by acquiring two complete BCM lowers. I retired from LEO-ing in 2018, which ending my being near colleagues’ AR15/M4 weapons, but, I reckoned it was a good idea to continue to maintain familiarity. I did, however, started looking around. Interest in the HK91/G3/PTR was rekindled, and I very nearly bought a couple of them, locally, but other buyers acted before I did, each time.

I added a few more AR15/M4 uppers, and two more lowers, in very early 2020, for the now-obvious reasons. (I did buy, before things got scarce, and before prices went up.) There are other adults, in the household, so, it makes sense to keep a few AR15/M4 rifles. I am still thinking that I really like the HK91/PTR option, and am monitoring new arrivals, at a nearby major gun store. (Too bad that the HK93 has become so collectible.) Why HK/PTR? Well, among other factors, it is ready to fire, when the safety lever is in-line with the opponent/target. Plus, the safety lever is lefty-friendly.

I have, however, had a favored .308 carbine, that feeds from detachable, quickly-changeable box magazines, since the mid-Nineties, a Browning BLR. I have added a couple of the Takedowns, since then, one blued, and one stainless finish. They are not military-tough, but, they are handy, light in weight, and the Takedowns are quite pack-able. The blued Takedown was bought used, and had a bit of rust, outside the barrel, at the muzzle end, so, I am likely to cut and re-crown the now-20” barrel, to make it even easier to pack. The safety “lever” is a folding hammer spur, that makes it impossible for the firing pin to be struck, and is off-safe’d by cocking the hammer. Totally left/right-neutral.

I do not claim to be any type of expert. I was provided with some truly competent AR15-based patrol rifle instruction, but that was quite some time ago.


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Don't own one. My bedside gun is an AK.


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