I have a Scar17, M1a, ptr91, Armalite ar10. I choose the scar. I might be tempted by a Larue and I also like the looks of the Ruger SFAR.

My first 308 semi-auto was a Stoner SR-25 Match, I kept it for about 15 or so years, most of the time it sat in the safe, not that it was a safe queen, it was just boring to shoot our range only goes out to 300yards. To shoot further I had to either go to a friend’s farm or drive 1.5 hours to Salina’s 1,000yd range.
Sold it, it just didn’t make sense for me. After that I had a myriad of 308 semi-autos starting with it was still early in the 308 AR game and the selection was pretty thin. I picked up a DPMS LR-308, to scratch the occasional itch. 24” stainless fluted barrel, JP Enterprise trigger, adjustable gas block, bla, bla, bla, tried building a load for it but nothing came close to the SR-25. After several other 308 semi’s including a genuine HK91, Belgian FN FAL, a plain Jane M1A but I didn’t like the fit.
Finally SiG introduced their 1st gen 716, I picked one up and it did speak to me, its heavy and still not an SR-25 but it was 1/3 the price and accuracy is almost as good as the ST-25. It also spends its time in the safe and it’s probably been 5 years since I’ve shot it as my shoulders are “shot” … but I might be able to shoot it, it’s heavy and I can can put my suppressor on it, so maybe the recoil wouldn’t be too bad.
I’ve had a SCAR16 which I didn’t like but haven’t owned the 17. As expensive as they are I don’t expect I’d like it … that may be a self fulfilling prophecy but at my age I’m probably done buying firearms.

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Originally posted by dwd1985:

-I wonder how many people who voted for the SCAR actually own one. I say that because I am not impressed with it, mostly due to its "clunkiness". Its lightweight, sure, but it has a reputation for destroying optics and is just "big" overall, from the Ugg boot to the receiver and flash hider. That's why I am considering replacing it.

I voted the SCAR 17, I own multiple SCARs including two 17's. I agree with you on the chunky feeling of the SCAR in it's stock form. It bothered me enough that I developed my own aftermarket SCAR forends for the sole purpose of bringing it up to modern standards for decreased weight and improved ergonomics.



Obviously I'm biased, but I believe this completely transforms the SCAR shooting experience. It no longer feels like you are holding a brick or a 2x4. If you want to give your SCAR another chance with a fresh forend update shoot me an email and I can get you taken care of: support@regosys.com

As for running suppressed, I've been shooting my black 17S pictured below suppressed for 12 years and have never had any issue with it. As mentioned by hrc the ability to tune the SCAR with easily changeable gas jets is an incredible feature that keeps the SCAR running smoothly. This is especially important in .308 where ammo power and suppressor back pressure can vary dramatically.

Shot this the other day at 100 yards with iron sights. Customer rifle that I re-barrelled and bedded into a McMillan. Just sayin'...




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Nice Group!

Ok, I have your two last choices. Because they interest me, not because they are the "best".

If money were no object, I'd have the SCAR. Failing that, for serious purposes, the SIG 716. Both are superior modern rifles to the two that I have, but they aren't as fun.

I mean, the trigger on the FAL is so bad benny6 literally laughed at it.

Old school cool:




Throw a top mount sling on this bad boy, and you too can look like a Nigerian border guard.

I just recently found the semi auto I would take over any Scar, and any other large frame AR's.

Garand Thumb just released a video this last Sunday on the Seekins Precision AR's that they have been using for quite some time now.

https://youtu.be/5MTesvXISIw?feature=shared

They have been testing both a 6.5CM and a .308 variant.

Pretty impressive accuracy from their examples. MSRP I think he says is about 2500$.

I didn't think I was going to get a large format AR, but if I do, I am pretty sure it would be this. The only other one that would intrigue me enough to consider it would be the CZ Bren 3 in .308. Since only one of these is currently available, it makes the decision easy for me.

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Originally posted by 4.40s1nine:
I just recently found the semi auto I would take over any Scar, and any other large frame AR's.

Garand Thumb just released a video this last Sunday on the Seekins Precision AR's that they have been using for quite some time now.

I didn't think I was going to get a large format AR, but if I do, I am pretty sure it would be this.

There are also a few companies offering so-called "small frame" .308/6.5 CM ARs nowadays.

The SR-25-style large frame .308 ARs like that Seekins SP10 have been around since the 1990s, but they're noticeably heavier and bulkier than an AR-15. For example, the Seekins SP10 clocks in at 10.5 pounds for just the bare rifle with no optic, magazine, ammo, or accessories.

But starting in the 2010s there were a few companies that went back to the drawing board with the question: "What if we started over with an AR15 and only scaled up exactly what was needed for .308?"

The resulting "small frame" .308/6.5 ARs are usually several pounds lighter than their large frame brethren (6-7 lbs rather than 9-10+). And because they're only larger in a select few area - namely the barrel, gas block, magwell, and bolt - they can use most standard AR accessories like triggers, grips, stocks, charging handles, (some) handguards, etc.

So you get the punch and range of .308/6.5 CM coupled with the weight of a standard AR15. (Well, before factoring in the noticeably heavier ammo...)

Currently this type of small frame .308 AR is offered by Ruger with their SFAR (~$1000), or POF with their Revolution and Rogue (~$2000).

Previously they were offered by a few others, like the DPMS G2 and Adams Arms SF308, but those are defunct.


For example, my POF Revolution as shown in this photo with optic and accessories is 8.9 lbs. It clocks in at 10.4 lbs with a loaded 20 round .308 magazine.

So even with a scope and a loaded magazine, it still weighs a couple ounces less than the bare Seekins SP10 with nothing. And once you add a scope and loaded magazine to that SP10, you'd be looking at a 14+ pound rifle. Or 15+ with a suppressor.

Just finally getting my 16" Galil ACE Gen2 .308 dressed out. Put the big boy Surefire M640DFT-Pro Scout light on it, plus a PA 2x in an ADM mount, and an offset HE509T in an Arisaka mount. Total was 9.8 lbs, which I didn't think was terrible for a monster light and two optics. Still need to get it to the range to be zeroed, then painted.