Did anyone else get an email this morning from S&W announcing this model's introduction?
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For those of you who think Grandpa's old thirty-thirty is too fudd-licious, now you can get yourself ones of these and mount a red dot, vertical foregrip, laser, and serrated muzzle brake on your mid-1800s lever gun!
(Straight from their marketing material: "Strategically flattened spaces on the forend with M-LOK slots allow you to mount grips, lights, or lasers and have them sit flush against the rifle.")
Not the worst HD option in my state.
$1200+ bucks? Nope. $750 and in .357? I might jump then.
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It’s becoming increasingly clear that wood/blued steel is a thing of the past. I’m looking to expand my hunting rifle collection and there is nothing that appeals. It’s all Creedmoor or PRC rounds with Tupperware. Im getting a bit sick of it honestly. Can’t even find a good used rifle for under $1k even at pawn shops anymore
No thanks, I've already got a penguin.
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Then good news! While it's not blued, they do offer a wood version of the 1854... for the low, low price of merely $3500.
More than double the price of the base model.
I got the email and investigated as well. Gorgeous wood but 3500 bucks is fucking insane. Plus if you are going to copy Henry and do a mag tube and a loading gate the copy them and don’t put a cross bolt safety either. Yuck.
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I'm ok that these exist. If it gives the tactical hipsters an outlet for their shenanigans and saves some old-school leverguns from molestation, it's worth it!
I like lever-actions and enjoy them for what they are (especially the pistol-caliber ones), but for a fighting tool a lever will never beat even a basic AR, no matter how much stuff you hang off of it.
I actually like it. I’m not one that personally likes the look of wear and tear, and considers scratches and what not to be a desirable patina. I like to keep my stuff looking new. For me that means that if I have a gun that’s wooden and blued, it is primarily to be admired visually, and carefully taken to the range occasionally. I can enjoy it, but it must be enjoyed carefully, and to me it’s not something I’d subject to hard use. So for something to be used in the field, I’ll always choose stainless and synthetic if it’s an option. Not to mention that I also like the look of stainless and synthetic, even if it’s not quite as pretty as wood and a good bluing job. So while I appreciate more classic styling in certain firearms, they make up a much smaller share of my current and future collection.
As for the rest of the gun, I like the picatinny rail. It just makes scope mounting a breeze, whether it’s a traditional scope, a red dot, or whatever else you desire, I like the rail and since it includes sights there really isn’t a penalty for it. I could take it or leave it, with respect to M lok hand guards. I don’t love the look, but they aren’t that bad, and they do have some function. If I were to get this rifle I’d probably stick a smaller red dot on there, and call it a good woods/ general outdoor rifle. The reality is that this could easily be setup for a great general purpose camp/ defense gun. Stick a surefire x300 on the forearm and it gives up little, and does add utility. Ultimately, I kinda like it, while recognizing it might not be for everyone. If they made a synthetic stock option without the M-lock, that would be my personal preference.
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They can keep it. I'd get a custom with wood just as good or better for about the same price. That shit is crazy
No thanks, I've already got a penguin.
This is an 1892 dating back to 1904. Sometimes in it's past (I suspect 1950's) a previous owner sent it in to Winchester to have it re-barreled in 357 Magnum. In a addition based on the lack of wear the wood was replaced with a rather nicely figured set. Total cost at a local Gun Show - 600 dollars. Sometimes a blind squirrel can find a very large and tasty Nut.
As for that S&W with it's pretty wood, what no checkering? For that kind of money I would expect nothing less than a very nicely done 26 LPI Checkering on forearm and stock.
I've stopped counting.
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Does it have a lock in the rear part of the receiver?
Hard pass. Lever action = cowboy gun. Looks like a gun for those in ban states like CA.
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It’s interesting to see this.
A friend became interested in lever action rifles and that prompted me to start watching some of the many videos about modern versions with things like Picatinny rails and threaded barrels. One of the things that appeals to some people is that they can (partially) fill a defensive weapon niche for people who can’t or don’t want to own the AR evilness incarnate. If one lives where bans or restrictions are blithely believed to ever be impossible, that is of course no consideration. But for the rest of us who either live in such places or even just pay attention to the sorts of things that have occurred where “That could never happen here” wasn’t “never” after all, it may be something to think about. Such guns are also often recommended for people who spend a lot of time traveling around the country; a lever action rifle is among the least likely firearms to run afoul of local laws.
On the other hand, I can’t imagine choosing a rifle chambered for 44 Magnum as a primary defensive weapon when there are better cartridges for the purpose. Although I have no intention of acquiring one myself, an intriguing new development is Henry’s “Lever Action Supreme” that uses AR style magazines and is available in 223 or 300 Blackout.
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I love that it is in 44 Magnum (357 Magnum would be great also); but yesterday I made a special trip to the not so nearby Cabela's for boots, etc. They had only one box of 44 Magnum, and no 44 Special.
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The price of lever guns has gone crazy!
^^^ Scooter 123 that is a beautiful Winchester, congratulations.
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A new design lever gun made by Smith & Wesson? What could possibly go wrong?
I wouldn't buy a lever gun from Smith & Wesson even if someone else paid for it.
The one I am waiting for is the Marlin 1894 Model/Dark Series # 70904 in .44 Magnum/.44 Special. Early 2024 release date. Link: https://www.marlinfirearms.com...erAction-DarkSeries/
The 1895 Dark Series is already released in 45-70.
The 336 Dark Series in 30-30 is also an early 2024 release date.
They also have planned a 1894 Dark Series in.357 Magnum/.38 Special with an undetermined release date.
Aluminum Handguard. M-LOK slots.
Synthetic Stock. User removable cheek riser for scope usage.
Picatinny Rail. Rear adjustable peep/ghost ring sight.
Threaded Barrel. Muzzle Break.
Front night sight with tritium ring around the fiber optic rod.
Cerakote finish/low glare.
Nitride finish on bolt and lever.
Lever loop is enlarged for gloved hand.
It's just plain ugly. It will be the nicest .44 Magnum lever gun on the market for hunting and self defense. It's all business.
My FFL says it will be impossible/difficult to source due to demand. And I will do whatever is required to acquire one.
I do wish it was manufactured totally from stainless steel and completely nitride finished. But I can live with it as is.
It will also come with a Ruger warranty, which I vastly prefer over a Smith & Wesson warranty.
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Smith and Wesson releases a new rifle.. and it's a Marlin. Which is now really a Ruger.
Are they actually making them I wonder? Or is someone else making them for them, like just about every other long arm they've ever sold.
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Meh. A Marlin and a Henry spent a hot sweaty night together with a bottle of Boone's Farm and this is what came out.
Don't get me wrong, I love lever guns but this is a hard pass for me. For me a modern lever action is lightweight, short, fast handling and packs a punch. I have a Marlin Guide Gun in .45-70 which I love. Keep it simple, keep it light; hanging tactical stuff off of it takes away from both of these goals. I also prefer a straight stock without the pistol grip just for keeping it compact and being able to carry it in a smaller profile scabbard.
For a modern lever, short barrel, Pic rail on top to mount a peep sight or red dot if needed. Stainless or cerakoted for weather resistance with a laminated wood or synthetic stock. And in a caliber that packs a punch like .45-70. I admit I'd be intrigued with more modern cartridges. I know there are some custom makers doing older style Winchesters in .500 and .460 Smith & Wesson.
The other question is where is Winchester? There's a resurgence in lever guns and the most well known name for levers seems to be ignoring the trend.
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460 & 500 S&W cost even more.
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