I’ve got a full KIDD rifle, 16” barrel.

With the free tax stamps I could just grab a 10” Kidd barrel for a charger and viola, SBR that is shorter than standard even with the suppressor.

I don’t do any precision shooting with it, it’s killed many dozens of squirrels and some beer cans so far but that’s about it.

Anything to be concerned about with a shorter barrel on the SBR?

As is it eats everything, will I see more pickiness on ammo?

Several years ago I wanted a stainless Ruger Charger with black synthetic furniture & threaded barrel to put a folding brace on using a Copper Custom adapter. Then Ruger didn’t offer the Charger in the configuration I wanted so I bought two different versions and moved the furniture to the stainless receiver/barrel to keep and the Greenwood furniture and black paint receiver/barrel and sold it … I’m still amazed at how accurate it is, even with cheap ammo



Then when Franklin Armory came out with the 10/22 Binary Trigger I had to have that too but I haven’t gotten around to getting one of those free SBR stamps yet.

Of course it’s not full-auto but it’s pretty durn close. It’s easy to keep on target, light and cheap to shoot and fits easily in a small backpack or case

Go short enough on the barrel and you won’t need to buy subs. A 4” barrel and a 5-6” can still puts you at about that 10-11 compact overall size and should keep you subsonic with standard ammo. A 10” barrel will require subsonic ammo and with a can, you still come out at 15-16” overall. This is something I want to do fairly soon, and it’ll be the former type rather than the latter. I want a quiet plinker I can use cheapshit bulk in, not a more precision setup I’m spending more on ammo with.

Love yalls input, I don’t have a folding stock or a takedown but not so much important to me.

Main concern is, will ammo be more liable to cycle the action with the shorter barrel or less likely?

Is 10” from 16” negligible? I’d guess no but I also don’t know much about the 10/22 action and operation as I’ve shot one for 35 years but know little about it embarrassingly.

P220, what do you mean by go short enough on the barrel…? I’m a short barrel .22 doesn’t have enough to go supersonic?

I shoot CB shorts out of my Henry lever action and they are almost fart quiet without a can. Sound like a pellet gun.

I’d still have a can on the 10/22 at all times though.

I’m concerned that the Aguila subsonics I often shoot wouldn’t cycle the action with the shorter barrel. I’ll google it to see the consensus on ammo but I think it’ll be okay.

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I want to make one with a Samson B-TM side folding stock. Probably a really short barrel so the suppressor is flush or barely pokes out from the stock. I’m not really a fan of the takedown models. Sadly the only 10/22 type rifle I had before our assault rifle ban is a T/CR22 that I don’t want to modify.

I posted a recent thread with my short barreled SBR 10/22. I got a free tax stamp for it, but with such a light, recoil free gun, I haven't gotten around to replacing the stock yet.

As to your concerns about reliability, I've had zero issues, I don't think I've had a single failure to extract or feed. I've only shot it suppressed, so that probably increases back-pressure sufficiently to make it pretty similar to a full length rifle, to the extent it matters.



As Smudge says, with a short enough barrel, even standard ammunition will be subsonic. I have a six inch barrel. I've had no reliability issues with cheap ammo.

My only warning, which I covered in my thread, is that if you want a chassis longer than the barrel, with a recessed suppressor, the thinnest suppressors are larger than a standard bull barrel, so some chassis will need some work to fit, as mine did.

It is hella fun. Keep us posted of your build pics, this class of gun is about as cool as it gets.

I bought a Charger model when they first came out, Serial # places it around the 350th made, I've had a 10 inch Kidd barrel on it for years along with a single stage Kidd Trigger group and Kidd Bolt assy. a couple years ago I found a used polymer stock for sale and put the copper custom adapter, Dremel and sanding drum took care of the barrel channel for the Kidd bull barrel. Between this one and the model I have a Binary trigger in, These two are my favorite out of 6 10/22s to take to the range. It's going to get a lot more fun when I put a MARs FRT into a Trigger group for even more range fun.

Ruger offers a 10/22 SBR, I learned recently. Stock numbers 30000 and 30001, for the 8" and 10", respectively.

Yeah. I want one.

I’ve been wanting to do this for a while. Not keen on engraving up a ton of guns so I’m hoping the ATF a proposed rule change not requiring engraving of the lower passes. We should have solid guidance in 60-90 days on that.

A charger barrel would be ideal for one of my 10/22. I have a 4 and 6 inch tac sol barrels for buckmarks and suppressed they run fine with spicy enough ammo.

My favorite very quiet 500 fps stuff in a suppressed bolt Ruger American. My kids pellet gun is louder.