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December 07, 2021, 11:59 AM
JonDaddy82
Bergara Small-Batch
Anyone seen this yet? Thoughts?




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December 07, 2021, 12:08 PM
OttoSig
Lmfao, pistol brace on a bolt action.

I get why they did that, but man that's silly.





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December 07, 2021, 01:00 PM
Loswsmith
I wish there was something like this in .300 Blackout that wasn't this: Elfowl. Or I guess, more mainstreamed and cheaper (like the Ruger American) that did this.


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December 08, 2021, 12:20 AM
Jaycat
Christensen Arms does this in .300 BO


Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun!!!
December 08, 2021, 08:12 AM
sigfreund
300 Blackout? Yes.
Those other chamberings with 10.5 inch barrels? Good grief, no.




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December 08, 2021, 08:29 AM
cas
It should be a left handed action, you know, if your really intend for people to use the "arm brace".

I'd love to have one, but I won't be buying one.

When "technical pistols" was my main shooting focus, I would have bought one in a second. (and immediately taken the brace off)

I have a 16" 309JDJ, which for all intents and purposes is pretty much a rimmed .308 Win. It's not bad at all. Of course you're loading for the gun, not shooting factory ammo loaded for longer barrels. I'm sure they assume most will plan on sticking a can on their shorter barrel. And if they aren't, after they shoot it they will. Big Grin


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December 08, 2021, 09:31 AM
sigfreund
I have limited experience with suppressors on pistols firing rifle cartridges, but what I have seen didn’t convince me it was much of a cure. One former deputy of my agency had a SBR with integral suppressor on the barrel and at night the muzzle flash was blinding. I still have a mental image of the huge fireball that it produced, and the noise was impressive as well. The flash was much, much greater than that produced by the same ammunition from a standard 16 inch barrel and A2 flash hider, and the noise didn’t seem much less; it certainly wasn’t hearing safe.

And that was with the 223 Remington cartridge which has a much smaller powder charge than 6.5 Creedmoor or 308 Winchester, so I can only imagine what shooting the latter two from such a short barrel would be like.

But wait, there’s more: Not only do such guns require suppressors to be even marginally tolerable to shoot, the lower velocity from the short barrel reduces ballistic effectiveness. The deputy’s flame throwing combination of short barrel and suppressor wasn’t much shorter than the other officers’ carbines but theirs would have had greater wounding effects if they’d shot someone with their respective weapons.

That’s why I consider the 300 BLK to be a sensible chambering for such guns, but not the others. With common loads, for example, the 300 has about the same muzzle energy from a 9 inch barrel as 223/5.56 from 16 inches. My 300 MCX with 9.5" barrel is shorter than almost any 223 SBR and doesn’t require making the barrel longer by adding a suppressor to be tolerable to shoot.




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December 08, 2021, 11:10 AM
Loswsmith
quote:
Originally posted by Jaycat:
Christensen Arms does this in .300 BO


Yeah, I'm not interested in selling a child for this. I'm looking specifically at Ruger here.


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