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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
But many thousands of Gen 2 PMAGs have been successfully used heavily over the decades in military/LE/competition/hard training/etc., so the statement about them being good for "range use only" is overblown.

It's not overblown. It's completely false, entirely untrue.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I seem to recall you said this before and never adequately explained why you think this is so. It seems you just don't like them, but in terms of functionality, there is nothing wrong with the hundreds of thousands- if not millions of gen2 PMags out there.

Just because they make you feel icky, that doesn't mean they cannot be used for serious purposes.

Sorry for the delay. Just saw this post by you.

The gen 3 is the premium product. The mag has been continuously revised and improved, with constant revisions over the years. I just picked up an older 2020 dated gen 3 PMAG, and it was on revision 23. (My newer PMAGS are in storage at the moment at another location so I can't look at the revision number of the newer mags) but I "think" the new mags are at revision 26 or 27 by now.

Why would a company revise a good product 26 times? Because they demand perfection.

The gen 2 was a good product and is a good product. But it's not as good. It's an early attempt at creating a good mag and they did a good job. I don't think I have ever had any failures with a gen 2 mag. I do know that the gen 2 revisions are fewer and it's basically an abandoned project at this point. I've compared older gen 2 mags with newer gen 2 mags and you can tell that they have updated the polymer formula along the way. The newer mags are much stiffer.

That being said, the Gen 3 has a higher feed angle that is designed to feed the rounds higher into the chamber. I believed this was done for the new military ammo that chewed up feed ramps, but it also increased reliability and decreased jams when the rounds weren't impacting the bottom of the feed ramp any longer.

Gen 3-higher feed angle, continuously improved and revised when Magpul finds a problem. When they find a problem, they go to the drawing boards, make an improvement, and then revise the mag with a new revision. If you compare early mags to late model mags, you can see mold differences. You can see that the polymer is a different formula. You can see follower differences.

I over analyze shit. I used to take apart VCR's as a kid to see how they worked. I put the thousand pieces back together, even if it took me days. I have a VERY analytical mind. I analyze everything.

I've owned most mags on the market and have taken them apart, inspected them, used them at the range, formed my own opinions on them, and my opinion at this time is that the gen 3 PMAG is a very well-designed product that blows everything else out of the water.

I take self-defense with a firearm very seriously. My guns are high quality. They are tested. They are cleaned. They are inspected. Any worn out springs or parts are replaced. I use the best mags on the market that I can find.

The gen 3 PMAG is what I would recommend you guys to use in your AR15 rifles for self-defense or duty. Its $2-$3 more than a Gen 2 mag and the premium features and improvements over the gen 2 mag are worthwhile.

Others can have a differing opinion and that's fine.

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Originally posted by bubbatime:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I seem to recall you said this before and never adequately explained why you think this is so. It seems you just don't like them, but in terms of functionality, there is nothing wrong with the hundreds of thousands- if not millions of gen2 PMags out there.

Just because they make you feel icky, that doesn't mean they cannot be used for serious purposes.

Sorry for the delay. Just saw this post by you.

The gen 3 is the premium product. The mag has been continuously revised and improved, with constant revisions over the years. I just picked up an older 2020 dated gen 3 PMAG, and it was on revision 23. (My newer PMAGS are in storage at the moment at another location so I can't look at the revision number of the newer mags) but I "think" the new mags are at revision 26 or 27 by now.

Why would a company revise a good product 26 times? Because they demand perfection.

The gen 2 was a good product and is a good product. But it's not as good. It's an early attempt at creating a good mag and they did a good job. I don't think I have ever had any failures with a gen 2 mag. I do know that the gen 2 revisions are fewer and it's basically an abandoned project at this point. I've compared older gen 2 mags with newer gen 2 mags and you can tell that they have updated the polymer formula along the way. The newer mags are much stiffer.

That being said, the Gen 3 has a higher feed angle that is designed to feed the rounds higher into the chamber. I believed this was done for the new military ammo that chewed up feed ramps, but it also increased reliability and decreased jams when the rounds weren't impacting the bottom of the feed ramp any longer.

Gen 3-higher feed angle, continuously improved and revised when Magpul finds a problem. When they find a problem, they go to the drawing boards, make an improvement, and then revise the mag with a new revision. If you compare early mags to late model mags, you can see mold differences. You can see that the polymer is a different formula. You can see follower differences.

I over analyze shit. I used to take apart VCR's as a kid to see how they worked. I put the thousand pieces back together, even if it took me days. I have a VERY analytical mind. I analyze everything.

I've owned most mags on the market and have taken them apart, inspected them, used them at the range, formed my own opinions on them, and my opinion at this time is that the gen 3 PMAG is a very well-designed product that blows everything else out of the water.

I take self-defense with a firearm very seriously. My guns are high quality. They are tested. They are cleaned. They are inspected. Any worn out springs or parts are replaced. I use the best mags on the market that I can find.

The gen 3 PMAG is what I would recommend you guys to use in your AR15 rifles for self-defense or duty. Its $2-$3 more than a Gen 2 mag and the premium features and improvements over the gen 2 mag are worthwhile.

Others can have a differing opinion and that's fine.

This supports your preference for the gen 3, but in no way supports your statement that gen 2 are good for range use only. In fact, you honestly state that you’ve never had an issue with a gen 2 mag.

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Originally posted by Ironworker:

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Originally posted by hrcjon:

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If the Dem. gets elected, I may not ever be able to buy any more magazines.

This is really not related to your question of deals. But I was tramatized by the mag limits of 1994. So I decided that I would have enough to last me the rest of my life. And I do. But there is nothing to say that a bill introduced about magazine capaicty limits will grandfather what you have. And that was the case in the last legislative session in my State. Bill introduced and passed out of committee that banned all normal capacity magazines, no grandfather. And that has held up in court in some other situations. Ultimately defeated but not by much. My point so a large inventory is not necessarily a defencse against antigun democrats.

Excellant point.

So if they ban normal magazines I wonder how that would effect my fn249s, belt fed ?

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Originally posted by bubbatime:
I take self-defense with a firearm very seriously.

How very exceptional of you. Unlike the rest of us, who are frivolous and flighty about all those guns and shooting and stuff, you take self-defense "very seriously".

I'll tell you what you take very seriously- yourself. Far too seriously.

Oh, and your springs are very clean! Or something like that.

Back down here on planet Earth, most of us know Magpul is a business, which is always introducing new products. Before you know it, Magpul will introduce gen4 Pmags, or maybe something really gimicky and unneeded, like translucent magazines. And then, gen3 Pmags will be yesterday's news.

You've never had issues with gen2 Pmags, but oh, yes, they're only for range use. Why? Because you, Mr. Clean Springs, say so.

You've have no basis for your claim. What you have is a bias, an opinion, and a baseless opinion at that.

Come back down to Earth, with we un-serious grimy-springed non-operators.

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Originally posted by DrWho:
So if they ban normal magazines I wonder how that would effect my fn249s, belt fed ?

A lot of that depends on how they write the law. The bill they tried to pass a few years ago made links and belts illegal if they held or were capable of holding more than 10 rounds. Remember, the Democrats hate you because you own a gun. They will do their best to make you a criminal and unable to own a gun legally. I hope this is not too political.

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Well I guess at 76 years old I shouldn’t be worried. I will continue to support pro firearms groups.

My forlorn hope: that PMag begins to make mags for the Mini 14. I recently saw 30 round Ruger OEM mags going for $50!

All four Gen2 Magpul mags I tried last weekend failed miserably with rapid fire tests and the GI mags functioned flawless.

The rounds would just stick straight up and jam on the second or third round.

I was watching a young man in a gun store buy his first gun recently and he was digging deep in his wallet to buy 1 extra magazine. I remember those days, and thankfully I'm not there anymore. I have bought quite a few from Gun Mag Warehouse, you can generally save $1 per mag if you buy the ten packs.

I was worried in the 2008 election so I bought a 20 pack of D&H and they are still unopened in the box. Colorado banned high cap in 2013, so I bought a dozen Magpuls (they are stamped with a date code) and left them at the cabin in Colorado. You buy 5 or 10 a year and after 10 years start to feel comfortable and after 20 you think I might be close to having enough. I might be feeling a little bit like Clint Eastwood in the movie Gran Torino explaining to the Hmong kid in his garage that a man accumulates all these tools over a lifetime.

These are excellent quality magazines from Daniel Defense but not inexpensive when compared to PMags…a shooting buddy bought a shit-ton of them to go along with his DDM4V7 rifle…he swears by them…Bereli does have them on sale in the five pack for a about a $5 per mag savings along with free shipping…

https://www.bereli.com/daniel-...eMD1_iOyfkjY0.PcfdLm

Speaking of GunMagWarehouse…a little while ago I bought a couple of the new ETS Nylon AR mags in OD to try out and they functioned perfectly…I ordered 6 more to add to my collection…they are extremely affordable, good looking and durable (just like their owner …

https://gunmagwarehouse.com/et...-round-magazine.html

I have never had any feeding issues with any generation of PMags, Lancers, ETS, or any metal magazines when shooting 5.56…but I have had some feeding issues with gen 2 PMags when using .300BO, depending on the bullet type/weight I’m shooting…so for .300BO I now choose to use only Lancer .300 dedicated magazines in the FDE translucent color only, to guard against inadvertently mixing calibers…works for me …

Just as an aside…I have collected every translucent color in the Lancer lineup…I’m really fond of the Robin Egg Blue, purple and Zombie Green

Okay used to make good GI aluminum mags but they ceased operations last year (IIRC). As far as I'm aware, who (if anyone) bought their tooling hasn't been disclosed.

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Originally posted by D_Steve:
Currently at Midway, Free ship over $100

$10 for Lancers is a pretty great deal

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$10 for Lancers is a pretty great deal

Yep…at that price I think I’m gonna place an order in a few minutes…before they go out of stock.

Per this article, 2022 I believe. this is splitting hairs



The Gen 3 Includes a Dust Cover
The Gen 3 comes with a dust cover. This handy mag accessory doesn’t just keep dirt and other debris from reaching loaded ammo. It also prevents damage to the PMAG’s feed lips while it’s in storage or transit.

Dust covers for the Gen 2 are available but sold separately. But take care – Gen 2 dust covers are not compatible with Gen 3 PMAGs, and vice versa!

The Gen 3 Is More Durable
The polymer Magpul uses to make Gen 3 PMAGs is a little tougher. This isn’t to suggest that you have to treat a Gen 2 like it’s made out of eggshells, but a Gen 3 can shrug off significantly more damage from impact and stress over the course of its long lifetime.

The Gen 3 Has a More Reliable Follower
Gen 2 vs Gen 3 magazine followers

The follower is the part of the magazine which pushes against the last round that will be fired. The Gen 3’s follower has an improved anti-tilt design that enhances functionality, although the Gen 2’s follower is so reliable that the older design is still not likely to ever fail you (so long as the PMAG is in good condition).

The Gen 3 Has an Over-Insertion Tab
Sometimes a shooter has to reload their AR-15 in an awful hurry. When they aggressively slam a Gen 3 into their rifle, its integral tab helps to prevent over-insertion that could cause a failure to feed.(added) Like in out of spec, or perhaps HK416, or SCAR.

The Gen 3 Has a Dot Matrix Panel
Magpul’s dot matrix panel is four 5×3 grids formed by small square impressions. This lets you use a paint pen to personalize your PMAG however you see fit. Use it to distinguish the PMAGs you’d use for training from the ones you’d trust on duty, or if you keep different types of ammo loaded. It’s also handy for keeping your so-called “friends” from taking off with your PMAG!

The Gen 3 Is More Aggressively Textured
Put a Gen 2 and Gen 3 side by side and you’ll notice the newer model has many more ridges on its front and spine. These facilitate positive handling, and especially help out when you’re swapping mags with gloved or sweaty hands. Dropping a mag while you’re reloading makes you look like a nerd at best. At worst it makes you dead as disco!

The Gen 3 Has a Narrower Baseplate
The Gen 3’s smaller baseplate makes it easier to fit multiple PMAGs in a mag pouch. This comes at a tradeoff, because the Gen 2’s wider baseplate is easier to grab onto – especially while you’re in a hurry.

The Gen 3 Is More Compatible With Certain Rifles
A PMAG designed for the AR-15 isn’t exclusively compatible with AR-15 rifles. The Gen 3’s geometry and internal workings make it more reliable with rifles like the SCAR 16S, the HK 416, and the M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle.

Because the Gen 2 Pmag lacks the Gen 3’s bigger feed lip that is designed to prevent overtravel, it is often more reliable with higher-quality AR-15 lowers. The Gen 3 typically works just fine with these as well, however.

The Takeaway on Gen 2 vs Gen 3 Pmags
When you get a Gen 3 PMAG instead of a Gen 2, you get a more durable AR-15 magazine with a dust cover, dot matrix panel, over-insertion tab, narrower baseplate, more reliable follower, and more aggressive texturing. And you pay more for these added quality of life features, too. So, what are you using your magazine for? Is it your bug out bag where performance is critical? Is it just a range training magazine where a failure is tolerable to save a few bucks? Those are some of the questions you need to answer before you select a dog in this Gen 2 vs Gen 3 pmags fight.

I got a flyer the other day from midway. 10 pmags for $100.

Aero precision is selling straight 20 round aluminum mags for $9. I bought a few to go with some 20 round Okay magazines I have. Also free shipping over $100.

https://www.aeroprecisionusa.c...azine-5pt-56-223-rem