Looks like it’s happening! The roller lock system looks awfully familiar, like possibly patent infringement level familiar, but we’ll see. Guess I know my next purchase.

Well that has my attention...

It's essentially the same price as a Kuna or Stribog. More options are always better, but this one doesn't really appeal to me unless it takes Scorpion mags by default.

Taurus makes a roller delayed PCC! That was not on my BINGO card. The same video just popped up on my feed. Looks like a P365 style FCU trigger chassis and quick change barrel. Competitive on price for a roller delayed PCC.

Negatives: Yet again, proprietary mags. Looks like it does not do last round bolt hold open just like the MP5.

The other fascinating part is the non-woke Taurus advertising showing a homeowner clearing his house using it for self defense.

Edit: Will someone figure out how to fit an FRT with the Fire Control Unit? If that is solved then Taurus will sell a bunch of these. Taurus is selling tons of TX22s because it is a budget entry into 22 pistol FRT.

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Hopefully mags will be cheap and reliable. Looks like right now, only the 4.5” barrel version is available. Put one on backorder at Europtic, so hope they are shipping out soon. Getting the non-brace version as I already have left over braces from other guns.

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Edit: Will someone figure out how to fit an FRT with the Fire Control Unit? If that is solved then Taurus will sell a bunch of these. Taurus is selling tons of TX22s because it is a budget entry into 22 pistol FRT.

Every time I get a notice from PSA about TX22 re-stock, they're out. That said, Taurus seems like they're getting their shit together.

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
The roller lock system looks awfully familiar, like possibly patent infringement level familiar, but we’ll see.

The roller delayed blowback system patents expired decades ago.

(Even HK's patents on their famous roller delayed platforms are expired. Hence why various companies offer MP5/G3/etc. clones.)

some of those are licensed clones which is slightly different, but I agree there is nothing left of the IP from an MP5 at this point and hasn't been for a couple of decades. It would actually be nice if this was an actual clone at least at the level of the locking block, rollers etc. for parts and adjustability but that isn't clear.

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Originally posted by Vgex:
It's essentially the same price as a Kuna or Stribog. More options are always better, but this one doesn't really appeal to me unless it takes Scorpion mags by default.

Disclaimer: Haven't watched the videos

If it's the same-ish price as the established competition...what makes this more appealing than those?
I've been itching to handle a Kuna, as a PCC is probably my next buy. Had a Scorpion on my shortlist but the favorable reviews here of the Kuma & Stribog make them more appealing.

To me, the appeal is a MP5-type roller delay system that has potential to be as soft shooting as the MP5 type guns. Yes, the Kuna and Stribog have a roller delay too, but it’s a different system than the MP5 system and not as soft shooting. Also, supposedly comes with an AR FCG so you can put in a better trigger without having to get a new lower. Comes with a QD barrel so it’s easy to change barrels without requiring a special barrel nut tool, and a separate handguard that can be swapped for different lengths instead of the monolithic uppers of the Kuna or Stribog where you can only add length. How it actually performs in the real world is an open question right now, but it’s always good to have more choices. People could have said the same thing about the Kuna when it was released. Why did SA bother bringing it over when the Stribog was already out? Why does CZ keep selling their decade old direct blowback Scorpion?

Don’t quite understand why everything has to take Scorpion mags. Most guns don’t, especially those made outside of the U.S. If you spend $300+ extra, you can get a Kuna or Stribog to take Scorpion mags, but you can buy 14 proprietary Kuna mags for the cost of a Nexus Kuna lower. There’s a ton of successful PCCs that don’t take Scorpion mags.

Thanks, I haven't looked too deeply into this yet.
Agree that more's better. Will have to do some hands on research when I get closer to wanting to buy

This dropped today. Looks like early reports of using AR trigger parts might be wrong, so may not be able to swap them out. Also, it’s a serialized chassis type FCU according to the rep, which may cause SBR engraving location problems. Looks like going the SBR route may be a bit harder, at least until aftermarket catches up. Bummer. Also looks like extra mags are a couple of weeks out at least, but on the plus side he expected them to be less than $30.

How would one solve 922r on this gun? The FCU doesn't bother me too much, I have that issue on my B&T and I just engrave the FCU, find someplace visible and do it again and there is no way the ATF is going to win that battle.

I ended up getting one and found that the 85 degree locking piece won’t even fit in the bolt carrier. Called them, they said to send the LP back to them, which I did over a week ago. Called a couple of days ago, and they got it, but there is no ETA on getting it resolved. Not sure why they wouldn’t just send me another one, unless they don’t have any. Pretty disappointing, and can’t really understand how a company like Taurus, which has been in business a long time, could screw this up, both in not making the part in spec, and not trying it out before shipping it with the gun.

I fired a few shots with the installed 110 locking piece, and it went OK with 124 grain unsuppressed, but had some initial issues with one Fiochi 147 grain but seemed to clear up after a few more rounds, so maybe it was a break in thing. Fired a few rounds suppressed, and it went OK with 147 grain, but I’m not really interested in shooting suppressed without using the proper LP, or shooting unsuppressed.

Taurus needs to get it together, and I can see why Brazil chose the Croatian Kuna over the home grown Taurus. OTOH, I love my Taurus TX22, so they can make a good gun.

Unfortunately, that lines up with the general feedback I'm seeing about it elsewhere. I hope they get this gun straightened out, it really does have potential. The Stribog had some serious teething issues the first, what? Several years it was on the market? They still don't really know how to do feedramps and I wish they'd just give up and start using other people's magazine designs, but damn if that didn't turn into a pretty decent gun. I hope Taurus figures it out. Like you say, the TX22 is the .22 pistol nobody can keep in stock, and believe it or not, the G2 variants are also extremely popular and have a devoted following, so it would be nice to see them ride that momentum.

I got my replacement 85 degree LP from Taurus and took it out today. I had first round failure to eject from both magazines, no matter what ammo, and no matter whether the mag was full or half full. Strangely, the rest of the mag feed without issue, every time. I was running 147 grain with my Milkman suppressor. It did seem that ejection was a bit lethargic compared to other 9mm PCCs I’ve run. I’ve also found that it doesn’t like 150 grain Syntech, either suppressed or unsuppressed, and no matter which locking piece I used. I assume that it’s just underpowered for the gun, although I don’t have any problems running the Syntech in most of my other guns.

As for firing, I got a bit of gas, and it definitely had more recoil than my SP5K-PDW that I brought for comparison. No gas from the HK. It simply isn’t as good a shooter as the HK, although it uses an almost identical roller lock delay design. I’m pretty disappointed. I’ve got about 15 9mm PCCs, and it’s probably my least favorite one to shoot. I don’t recommend it.

Dwill not related to this post except tangentially. How about a post where you rank your PCC's 1-15. Would be a real winner for discussion...

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Dwill not related to this post except tangentially. How about a post where you rank your PCC's 1-15. Would be a real winner for discussion...

A interesting thought, but it’s not really practical to drag out all of them to do a shoot-off to get a ranking. Plus, some I haven’t shot in a while and going off my fading memories probably isn’t the best way. Also, some I’ve made a lot of upgrades to, which might place them higher than they would normally be, compared to as they come from the box. All have their pros and cons, but I’m the type of person who just enjoys buying and shooting different guns for being different and not necessarily looking for the absolute best.

I will say that if I absolutely had to cut down to just a few, I’d probably keep my SP9A3, Kuna, HK SP5, and Beretta PMXs. Maybe the CMMG MkGs (Banshee) too.