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Originally posted by newmexican:
When you say ruger ultralight, do you mean the Hawkeye compact model? Or did they used to make one actually called the ultralight?

The Ultra Light was a distinct model from the Compact.

http://www.guns.com/reviews/ru...hawkeye-ultra-light/

The Ultra Light was outfitted with a slightly shorter and thinner 20" pencil barrel and a slightly slimmer/lighter wood stock. The slightly different barrel and stock made it ~0.75 pounds lighter than the standard Hawkeye model. The Ultra Light is no longer offered.

The Compact is even lighter, being a full pound lighter than a standard model, with an even shorter 16.5" barrel and a smaller stock with a reduced LOP.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by newmexican:
When you say ruger ultralight, do you mean the Hawkeye compact model? Or did they used to make one actually called the ultralight?

The Ultra Light was a distinct model from the Compact.

http://www.guns.com/reviews/ru...hawkeye-ultra-light/

The Ultra Light was outfitted with a shorter and thinner 20" pencil barrel and a slightly slimmer/lighter wood stock. The different barrel and stock made it ~0.75 pounds lighter than the standard Hawkeye model. The Ultra Light is no longer offered.

Interesting information thank you for that. It must have been from before I got interested in rifles as I really can't remember that one being offered.

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Originally posted by newmexican:

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:
There is no positive stop mechanically connected tot the action. No steel-on-steel positive stop.

I would think it would be easy to drill out the action screw holes and pillar bed them to a known length. If there is a spec that can be held to.

Something like that could possibly be done but I think it might be a mess to try it. Might take a few stocks before a guy had it nailed. Anyway, as good an idea as it is, its not for me.

OP, another EXCELLENT carbine is the Ruger M77 short-action Ultralights. I have one in .308 and what a peach it is. I've killed the normal assortment of critters around here with it and also worked up a really excellent 220 grain bullet load. Yup, 220 grain, as it has a 1/10 twist rate, not the normal 1/12 of .308's. Anyway, I got that one up to surpass the old velocities of the 215 grain .303 bullet from a rifle length. Great load. you know when it goes off, that's for sure, but it is a great load, and the rifle is VERY light.

When you say ruger ultralight, do you mean the Hawkeye compact model? Or did they used to make one actually called the ultralight?

Ultralight.

It's an M77MKII. I can't remember how old, maybe 10-15 years?

I haven't checked but maybe they don't make it anymore in the Hawkeye version. It is not the compact version. It has a very skinny barrel and high grade stock. Very light as the name says.

ETA: Just saw Rogue's post. Yes, that's it.

I bought it as a replacement for my CZ 527. It is similar-ish tho in .308 obviously. I was selling my AK at the same time and decided to cull the 7.62x39 caliber from the stable.

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:

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Originally posted by newmexican:

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:
There is no positive stop mechanically connected tot the action. No steel-on-steel positive stop.

I would think it would be easy to drill out the action screw holes and pillar bed them to a known length. If there is a spec that can be held to.

Something like that could possibly be done but I think it might be a mess to try it. Might take a few stocks before a guy had it nailed. Anyway, as good an idea as it is, its not for me.

OP, another EXCELLENT carbine is the Ruger M77 short-action Ultralights. I have one in .308 and what a peach it is. I've killed the normal assortment of critters around here with it and also worked up a really excellent 220 grain bullet load. Yup, 220 grain, as it has a 1/10 twist rate, not the normal 1/12 of .308's. Anyway, I got that one up to surpass the old velocities of the 215 grain .303 bullet from a rifle length. Great load. you know when it goes off, that's for sure, but it is a great load, and the rifle is VERY light.

When you say ruger ultralight, do you mean the Hawkeye compact model? Or did they used to make one actually called the ultralight?

Ultralight.

It's an M77MKII. I can't remember how old, maybe 10-15 years?

I haven't checked but maybe they don't make it anymore in the Hawkeye version. It is not the compact version. It has a very skinny barrel and high grade stock. Very light as the name says.

ETA: Just saw Rogue's post. Yes, that's it.

I bought it as a replacement for my CZ 527. It is similar-ish tho in .308 obviously. I was selling my AK at the same time and decided to cull the 7.62x39 caliber from the stable.

They don't make it any longer, I wish they did though, it looks awesome, maybe I can find an older one. They must have stopped selling them at least ~ 10 years ago or so because I got my first Hawkeye around then and it was t being offered.

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Originally posted by newmexican:

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:

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Originally posted by newmexican:

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:
There is no positive stop mechanically connected tot the action. No steel-on-steel positive stop.

I would think it would be easy to drill out the action screw holes and pillar bed them to a known length. If there is a spec that can be held to.

Something like that could possibly be done but I think it might be a mess to try it. Might take a few stocks before a guy had it nailed. Anyway, as good an idea as it is, its not for me.

OP, another EXCELLENT carbine is the Ruger M77 short-action Ultralights. I have one in .308 and what a peach it is. I've killed the normal assortment of critters around here with it and also worked up a really excellent 220 grain bullet load. Yup, 220 grain, as it has a 1/10 twist rate, not the normal 1/12 of .308's. Anyway, I got that one up to surpass the old velocities of the 215 grain .303 bullet from a rifle length. Great load. you know when it goes off, that's for sure, but it is a great load, and the rifle is VERY light.

When you say ruger ultralight, do you mean the Hawkeye compact model? Or did they used to make one actually called the ultralight?

Ultralight.

It's an M77MKII. I can't remember how old, maybe 10-15 years?

I haven't checked but maybe they don't make it anymore in the Hawkeye version. It is not the compact version. It has a very skinny barrel and high grade stock. Very light as the name says.

ETA: Just saw Rogue's post. Yes, that's it.

I bought it as a replacement for my CZ 527. It is similar-ish tho in .308 obviously. I was selling my AK at the same time and decided to cull the 7.62x39 caliber from the stable.

They don't make it any longer, I wish they did though, it looks awesome, maybe I can find an older one. They must have stopped selling them at least ~ 10 years ago or so because I got my first Hawkeye around then and it was t being offered.

It is a GREAT rifle.

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Originally posted by jcsabolt2:
Arc,

While this may not be directly related, there are some guys over at Ballistics by the Inch that have tested numerous calibers to find the optimal barrel length. If nothing else it provides a nice reference or at least food for thought.

Where I live we can't use "coke bottle" shaped rifle cartridges for hunting, only "straight walled" cartridges and not all of them either. To top that off, it has to be .357 or larger. Mike Bellm has a wealth of info pushing the .357 Mag well beyond its limits to reach .357 Max levels creating very accurate 200 yard rifles. Not everyones cup of tea, but interesting for those trying to stay within legal hunting limits.

Here in the lower mitten, we too are limited to straight walled. I'm running a 20 inch 357 maximum T/C Encore. This little carbine is a pleasure to handle in the brush and (I think) is reaching 35 remington ballistics. Thanks for posting that link jcsabolt2, good info.

Just hit me;

Rolan, CHROME guns are OK for CAS?

I don't think chrome plating of guns ever existed during pre-1898. Isn't that the breakoff period?

I picked up a Ruger GSR last week in a trade and have shot it a few times since. It came with 8 magazines (4 polymer-5rdx2 & 10rdx2 4 metal-5rdx2 & 10rdx2) and the XS sight rail. I'm not sure if the XS rail is really pictinny as 2 of the QD mounts that I've tried fitted loose enough that the recoil lug on the mounts have displaced the aluminum and basically ruined that mounting position. I did find a good handload using the 168gr Combined Technology projectile & IMR3031 powder and scored a solid 1/4MOA 3-shot group @ 100yds. While that group was exceptional the average group size was a little more than double that...which is still very good. My only problem with this load is that I haven't been able to find any more of those projectiles.

Also my only other gripe is the trigger. On my Lyman digital trigger gauge it averaged 4lb 2.2oz from 10 pulls. It's about 2lbs too heavy for my tastes but other than that it does feel nice. Does anyone know of any aftermarket triggers or reduced power springs for this rifle? I'm not as versed on Ruger centerfire rifles as I am with Remingtons (this is my first Ruger) so any help/leads would be appreciated.

Lastly I'm not used to shooting a <8lb rifle, all of my other .308 bolt guns have been over 13lbs and this one has more bark and a sharper bite than I'm used to in this caliber. I'm happy with it and considering I only had 600.00 in the pistol that I traded straight up for this rifle package I think I did pretty good.

Spec tech makes an adjustable replacement trigger for the GSR. I don't have one yet in the GSR I got recently, but all accounts I've heard about indicate it is a good upgrade. Nice group.

KenS

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:
Just hit me;

Rolan, CHROME guns are OK for CAS?

I don't think chrome plating of guns ever existed during pre-1898. Isn't that the breakoff period?

Yes. It is fine. Nickel plating existed, so they allow Chrome.

What once was 22" is now 16.25"

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
What once was 22" is now 16.25"

That's a nice crown.

I used the 79 degree cutter from Brownells. Took about an hour.

Nobody has mentioned the Ruger RLS, which would seem to have exactly the characteristics the OP was seeking: lightweight rifle with 18.5" barrel, this one .30-06...

Well no, what I've been seeking is a 30.06 with a 16" barrel. I had an earlier thread on why, the short story is "for the heck of it."

The commercially available options are all 18" or more. Add to that, that I spent some time trying to get my hands on even an 18 or 18.5 like the RSI or the model you posted, and they're a touch hard to come by.

But, the point is moot, as I've got a stainless Ruger American that now has a barrel just a touch longer than 16." As soon as I get the scope, we'll take it to the range and see what all the fuss is about.

Will there be FPS loss? Sure, but not enough to be missed, as I'm not intending to shoot this rifle past 300yds. Will it be loud? Yes, and if it's really loud, all the better. Maybe suppressors will be legalized here, then I'll thread it.

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
Well no, what I've been seeking is a 30.06 with a 16" barrel.

You have to make those yourself, as you did. In the OP you didn't specify the barrel length you were seeking in a production model, although you did say when you decided to cut one it went to 16.

I have two short barreled .30-06 rifles that come in at 6.5 lbs., and the muzzle blast and recoil seem no different from the others.

Finally got it to the range, and I'm pleased with it, I don't find the report to be so loud, though it is robust. What is more impressive is the muzzle flash. It is accurate enough, and quite handy. The low power of the scope is the only limitation in the range/accuracy department, and that's what I expected.

So why the German #1 reticle for the scope??

I've only seen one, once on a very old Mauser

I'd shot a friends rifle that had one years ago, and really liked it. When you look at the fat posts, you might think they get in the way, but what it does is make homing in on target easier, at least for me. My friend who came with me today was a skeptic until he used it.

If you're trying to drill one hole at high magnification, you could use it but there are better choices. I think it is well suited to a hunting rifle, and low/med magnification.

Once sighted in at 100yds, as soon as that center post is on what you'd like a hole in, boom. I suppose this seems like a strange choice, but people are missing out.

I'm going to get a German #4 and see how well it works.