Not really a 'general' answer, but I have always had the hots for an HK UMP. So I've had several HK USC's which is the base gun to make a UMP in the US. That's actually a rifle to start. And easy to shoot despite its somewhat odd configuration to get it into the US. I've also some of the UMP like guns... LWRC SMG45(SBR'd to make is useful, you have to buy it as a pistol), B&T APC45 (again it gets into the US as a pistol, so SBR to make it useful). All of them have been reliable and easy to live with. If I was starting over I would just get the latest B&T APC45 that takes glock mags and be totally happy. The B&T is an incredibly nice gun, but comes with a price tag to match. Since you didn't give much guidance on what you want to do with it I can't really expand with any specific thoughts.
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Originally posted by hrcjon: Not really a 'general' answer, but I have always had the hots for an HK UMP. So I've had several HK USC's which is the base gun to make a UMP in the US. That's actually a rifle to start. And easy to shoot despite its somewhat odd configuration to get it into the US. I've also some of the UMP like guns... LWRC SMG45(SBR'd to make is useful, you have to buy it as a pistol), B&T APC45 (again it gets into the US as a pistol, so SBR to make it useful). All of them have been reliable and easy to live with. If I was starting over I would just get the latest B&T APC45 that takes glock mags and be totally happy. The B&T is an incredibly nice gun, but comes with a price tag to match. Since you didn't give much guidance on what you want to do with it I can't really expand with any specific thoughts.
H&K USC is on my list.
My intended use is varied and non-specific; I just want to know what others have used and liked. Thanks for the reply.
Originally posted by P220 Smudge: Is there a particular reason you'd want one in .45 over 9mm? If going suppressed, 157gr subsonics in a 9mm are very quiet.
I like pistol caliber carbines, and I'd like a .45 ACP. Noise suppression, though always a nice thing, is not highest priority.
Originally posted by YooperSigs: If you can find one: Marlin Camp 45.
I am a Marlin fanboy. I had a Golden 39A as a teenager. I would happily pick up a Camp 45 if I came across one in good shape at a reasonable price. It's the kind of gun you wish you had bought when you had the chance many years ago.
Me too, if I ever saw one that was reasonably priced and in good condition. I've seen some with one of those but never both. You could just get a tommy gun, or the kriss or the high point depending on what suits your fancy. But probably one of the best items you might look at (I don't have one) is the CMMG. I have a ton of their stuff in other calibers and they seem to do a pretty decent job of making an AR like PCC in odd configurations. But you won't outcoool having a USC..
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I have both a converted USC and a SBR’d SMG-45. If you get a USC, you’re going to be spending a fair amount of extra money converting it to take double stack UMP mags, unless you’re happy with the thumb hole stock and proprietary 10 round mags. Even if you keep the factory 16” barrel, there’s still costs for finding the parts, like a UMP lower, as well as modifying the gun to take a UMP lower, as well as whatever UMP or other stock you want to use, and 922r parts on top of that. Converting neutered HK guns like the USC and SL8 is usually not worth the money in the end, unless you are really into it.
The SMG-45 is a better option IMHO, assuming you intend to SBR it.
I’d take a close look at the CMMG RDB guns. I’ve got one in 9mm, and thing they make one in .45 (or at least they did). That may be the best option.
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Not cheap, but CMMG Resolute, 16" barrel, takes Glock .45 ACP magazines. Radial delayed blowback system so lighter and less recoil than a traditional blowback.
I have an SBR and rifle in 9mm, using Glock 9mm mags. Fun to shoot, accurate. Haven't tried the .45 ACP versions. I might be tempted by one in 10mm.
I almost bid on a Delisle Commando clone the other day, but decided it was probably a mistake.
My only .45 ACP carbine experience was with an Oly AR upper on a CNC Machine grease gun mag lower. It worked great and was fun, but it was not an "off the shelf" type deal.
(and three short bursts with an HK UMP, but that's not exactly an off the shelf option either)
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I'm looking over these suggestions. I am not expecting to make many, if any, modifications; looking for something that is legal and ready to shoot out of the box and doesn't need to be converted to something other than its original design to be "better" or more desirable. I want functional reliability, and I want good accuracy under 50 yards, reasonable accuracy out to maybe 100 yards; it's a pistol cartridge, not a long-range rifle cartridge, and I don't expect it to act like one. My thought is something that does what a .45 pistol will do, only a bit better a little farther out, because...it's a rifle! Thanks for the replies so far.
Guy I worked for several years ago bought a CMMG Banshee in 9mm and liked it so much he turned around and ordered one in .45. He raved about those guns, especially the .45.
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Originally posted by P220 Smudge: Guy I worked for several years ago bought a CMMG Banshee in 9mm and liked it so much he turned around and ordered one in .45. He raved about those guns, especially the .45.
I love my 9mm version. I've considered one in .45, but like your post further up in the thread, the primary reason I would want it is for supressor use, and I can load heavy subsonic 9mm and do the same thing with the gun I already have. I can definitely understand the appeal of a .45 version...I just can't really justify the need for me personally.
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Originally posted by hrcjon: Not really a 'general' answer, but I have always had the hots for an HK UMP. So I've had several HK USC's which is the base gun to make a UMP in the US. That's actually a rifle to start. And easy to shoot despite its somewhat odd configuration to get it into the US. I've also some of the UMP like guns... LWRC SMG45(SBR'd to make is useful, you have to buy it as a pistol), B&T APC45 (again it gets into the US as a pistol, so SBR to make it useful). All of them have been reliable and easy to live with. If I was starting over I would just get the latest B&T APC45 that takes glock mags and be totally happy. The B&T is an incredibly nice gun, but comes with a price tag to match. Since you didn't give much guidance on what you want to do with it I can't really expand with any specific thoughts.
Ditto.
I own all three plus the Kriss Vector, CMMG Banshee, and a Colt 45 AR upper. Out of all six I would only buy the B&T again.
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Another vote for the CMMG Radial Delayed Blowback system. I have owned a couple of regular blowback 9mm carbines and the recoil was abrupt and had unpleasant sting to it. Not really fun if you shoot a lot of rounds per session. The CMMG RDB system feels much "softer". If you ever shot both types side by side you would be very surprised.
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Originally posted by P220 Smudge: Guy I worked for several years ago bought a CMMG Banshee in 9mm and liked it so much he turned around and ordered one in .45. He raved about those guns, especially the .45.
I totally agree on the CMMG Banshee…I totally love my 9MM SBR upper…a range buddy’et added a .45 ACP to her collection…I’ve not had the opportunity yet to shoot it with her, but if it’s as slick as my 9MM…it will be awesome!…I like the fact that I can use 5.56 MagPul magazines converted to 9MM in a standard AR15 lower (they feed like “butter”, especially hollow points)
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