"Item Description
We are proud to offer today this extremely rare German Built STEINER 4x24 Optic with Mount built for the SIGARMS AMT & 510 Rife!! This one is complete with the Original Case as shown!!"

In actuality this is an Estes Adams SIG AMT mount with an early German G3 Steiner STANAG 4X ZF scope. Estes never had an "Original Case" for his mount.

Here is a SIG factory AMT scope mount with a Dr Wöhler Kassel 4x7° scope.



Here is my Estes Adams Mount with early 4X Hensoldt STANAG scope. I received this mount complete with scope directly from Estes Adams.

RIP, Estes.

Still a slick setup, but I am sure it doesn't command that price. Did you contact the seller again?

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Originally posted by KSGM:
RIP, Estes.

Still a slick setup, but I am sure it doesn't command that price. Did you contact the seller again?

Yes, I did contact them. I received no response, and they did not change their ad's description in any way.

Estes was a genius and a superior machinist. I know I miss him greatly.

One thing I’ve learned: when a seller has to tell you how rare an item is, it means they’re trying to scam you by jacking up the price exorbitantly.

This must be the one we were discussing last week, Dan.
We all appreciate you looking out for your fellow collectors and friends; and for your expertise.

You're a mensch, bud!

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...built for the SIGARMS AMT & 510 Rife!!....

For clarification, it should be mentioned that the mount fits only the AMT/SG510-4. They do not fit the PE57 which is a SG510 as well.

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Originally posted by OTD:

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...built for the SIGARMS AMT & 510 Rife!!....

For clarification, it should be mentioned that the mount fits only the AMT/SG510-4. They do not fit the PE57 which is a SG510 as well.

Hello Daniel! How are you?

To follow up on Daniel's comment above, here is a PE57 scope mount:


(A German surplus G3 Hensoldt Z24 scope, with illuminator, is attached to a PE57 scope mount.)



(PE57 with iron sights raised.)



(PE57 with iron sights folded and Hensoldt scope mounted.)

With eight (8) hours to go the bid just hit $6425. Wow! That's double of what I paid for my AMT.

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Originally posted by MG34_Dan:
Hello Daniel! How are you?

Hi Dan
Doing fine, thanks for asking.

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Originally posted by MG34_Dan:
With eight (8) hours to go the bid just hit $6425. Wow! That's double of what I paid for my AMT.

there are collector topics that can no longer be mastered without extensive documentation of books, catalogs, manuals and a functioning network on the subject. SIG weapons are one of these topics. whoever bids on such offers without deeper knowledge will always buy a story. I appeal to those who are interested to buy the books, even if they are very expensive and spend time on internet research to find all possible documentation. It is time and money consuming but will be worth it in the long run.

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Originally posted by OTD:

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Originally posted by MG34_Dan:
With eight (8) hours to go the bid just hit $6425. Wow! That's double of what I paid for my AMT.

there are collector topics that can no longer be mastered without extensive documentation of books, catalogs, manuals and a functioning network on the subject. SIG weapons are one of these topics. whoever bids on such offers without deeper knowledge will always buy a story. I appeal to those who are interested to buy the books, even if they are very expensive and spend time on internet research to find all possible documentation. It is time and money consuming but will be worth it in the long run.

Whether Colt, S&W, Walther, Winchester, SIG, etc. the advice given to me when I started is the same advice you (and I)
are giving here - buy the books first!

Three hours and 38 minutes to go, now sitting at $7525!

Is there any information about the quantity of mounts produced by Adams?

What about the SPS Wöhler mounts? Who is/was SPS? Is there more information about their Wöhler mounts?

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Originally posted by OTD:
Is there any information about the quantity of mounts produced by Adams?

What about the SPS Wöhler mounts? Who is/was SPS? Is there more information about their Wöhler mounts?

SPS was Estes Adams' company name. Look here =>
https://www.biggerhammer.net/sigamt/sps/

SIG Parts Service
Attn: Estes Adams
P.O. Box 2631
Auburn, WA 98071-2631

Thank you. I know the reference page.
I know his name and the assemblies of biggerhammer, but his connection to SPS was not known to me. I have always assumed that they are two companies.

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Originally posted by dwd1985:
One thing I’ve learned: when a seller has to tell you how rare an item is, it means they’re trying to scam you by jacking up the price exorbitantly.

Amen.