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Frangas non Flectes |
I've mentioned here and there that I want to grab one. I think given the shutdown nonsense and the impending flood of NFA submissions in January, timing with buying a factory SBR will be... interesting to say the least. Those of you who have one, what are you impressions of it so far? Which version do you have, and how has it performed? Reliability? Accuracy? Are you shooting it suppressed, and if so, how is it handling that and with which can(s)? Video reviews are positive from what I'm seeing, but I want to know what Sigforum thinks of it. Oh, and if we could, let's skip the "just build an AR9, the DD is a lot of money for a direct blowback AR9" stuff. I keep seeing that, and given the feature set, $1,500ish is about right for what it is. It has a hydraulic buffer, just like B&T's that cost twice as much, and I can always drop a Maxim roller delayed buffer in it. I know there are other options for AR9's, but the only other option for one that feeds from Scorpion magazines is the PSA, and after looking into it extensively, it's a dog, and only a couple hundred bucks cheaper. Kinda the same story with the Warscorp 9, except that one looks like the AR version of athlete's foot and the dumbshit name doesn't help sell it any. ______________________________________________ "If the truth shall kill them, let them die.” Endeavoring to master the subtle art of the grapefruit spoon. | ||
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Tagged for interest, especially for suppressed shooting. I’ve heard the gun is gassy, most recently in a recent Silencer Analytics video where it was one of the hosts for a 9mm suppressor test, and Rob noted it was gassy, even with a Huxwrx flow can. | |||
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Love mine. I shoot it constantly suppressed and have around 4K down range. The Mojave 9 is also phenomenal. I don’t know who Rob is, or what he considers “gassy” but mine isn’t. I had one magazine with a feeding problem, but even that has worked out. Mine is almost MP5 smooth and all I shoot is cheap Blazer 115. When I shoot 147 grain American Eagle or even the occasional 147 G2, it’s hearing safe. Big, big fan. ________________ People hate you. Train like it. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
I was hoping you'd chime in, and I figured by now that you had a fair number of rounds through it. Solid endorsement.
Hmmm. Yeah, he also noted the Flow 9K is a higher back pressure can than some of the big 9mm cans as well. A compromise to get pistols to cycle, or somesuch. My friend has a Flow 9K, and it does have more backpressure than my S.A.W. Kalil. Probably it would be fine. Gas is such a subjective thing, honestly. I've only ever been gassed out once, and it was with a DD Mk18 range rental with an RC2 on it. Stock everything at an indoor range. I was eating clouds of it with every shot. My Polonium is supposed to be as gassy as that, and I've never really noticed more than a whiff or two. I handed off my tuned Stribog with the Ecco on it to a buddy and he fired two rounds from it and commented "it's kind of gassy, no?" It surprised me because I've never found it to be that. I think gas sensitivity just comes down to the individual, and I guess I'm just not particularly gas sensitive. Additionally, Rob was shooting it left handed, and with an AR, that's definitely a way to get gassed in the face no matter the setup. ______________________________________________ "If the truth shall kill them, let them die.” Endeavoring to master the subtle art of the grapefruit spoon. | |||
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Had mine 2 weeks now. Had a springfield victor saint 9mm. Great gun but I could not put my obsidian 9 on it with out changing hand guards. Got a good local deal with Daniels LEO pricing and they took the springfield in as trade as well. I opted for the pistol with brace. Might SBR it with a stock later but the brace is ok so far. IT IS gassey with the can. I put some gasket material around the charging handle and it helps. Trigger needs to be better. Probablt 500 mixed factory ball through it, zero issues. Magpul mags are 17bucks. | |||
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Trying hard to resist. Europtic has a sale on, and no sales tax in FL to the end of the year. Would probably just get the pistol now and SBR next year when it’s free. | |||
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Well, couldn’t resist. Got it last week, did some upgrades and took it to the indoor range today.  My initial impressions are that it’s well made and accurate, but the recoil is heavy compared to other PCCs and it’s gassy when using a suppressor. Not horrible by any means, but definitely more felt recoil than my Kuna, Stribog, SP5, and even the APC9. Even though the B&T is similar with blowback and a hydraulic buffer, the recoil springs and damper seem more effective in reducing recoil compared to the DD. No gas when running unsuppressed, but when I added a Wolfman in the short configuration, got some eye stinging with the first shot. Only shot a little with the Wolfman before swapping to the CAT MOB. Was a bit better but not completely gas free. If you’re going to run it suppressed, I’d definitely recommend a low backpressure can, especially for indoors. To be honest, my first impression is that it’s not one of my favorite PCCs to shoot. YMMV. ETA: The PSA mag was kind of tight in the magwell, so I only used the Magpul mags, which ran fine. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
I wonder how it would do with a Maxim roller delayed buffer. Looks like they've gone up about thirty bucks since I last looked, which makes it a bit less appealing. :| https://maximdefense.com/produ...ler-delayed-systems/ Man... I really wish more manufacturers were using the friggin' Scorpion Pmags as an option. No, we get Glock and Colt mags. Happy days.  ______________________________________________ "If the truth shall kill them, let them die.” Endeavoring to master the subtle art of the grapefruit spoon. | |||
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I’ve read a lot of reviews that say manually pulling back the charging handle is a lot harder with the Maxim RDB buffer. That might be a deal breaker for me. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
Yeah, I read the same thing and found myself wondering how bad it can actually be. Probably enough that I'd hate it.  A friend of mine put together a Broad River Tactical SD build that I got to shoot a couple weekends ago with my Stealth Additive can on the SD extension. 1.77" diameter can with the 1.8" inner diameter MP5SD handguard. Fit like it was made for it, ran absurdly quiet with 115gr. I may forego the DD and cobble together some unholy abomination build based on that setup... if I can find a way to make it work with Scorpion Pmags.  ______________________________________________ "If the truth shall kill them, let them die.” Endeavoring to master the subtle art of the grapefruit spoon. | |||
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? "The Almighty, He put some livin' things on this earth so a man can eat." - Festus Haggen, Gunsmoke | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
More suppressor slang. The short version is that nearly all suppressors will push gas back down through the bore on semi-auto guns during the cycle, which vent out through the gaps in the receiver around or into the shooter's face. How much and how bad depend on the can, the gun, the ammo, and the environment (indoor and still air makes it more noticeable). All of these variables on their own can have a dramatic effect on it, and any one on their own can nearly negate the effectiveness of all the other variables. A flow-through can on a gun that's horribly overgassed will still put gas in a shooter's face. The most perfectly tuned gun with a very high backpressure can will still put gas in a shooter's face. A perfectly tuned gun with a flow through can shooting really crappy ammo can put a lot of gas back in the shooter's face. Part of the game has always been fiddling with all these variables to achieve a balance of suppression, accuracy, and reliable cycling that doesn't make the gun beat itself to death. The new big change is flow-through cans that have anywhere from a lot less backpressure all the way to nearly none, so a gun that would've traditionally been called "gassy" is less an issue these days. My thinking on the DD PCC is now whether I can stick my prototype can on it that has hardly any backpressure and tune from there with buffers, springs, and working up a good subsonic load with clean burning powders. ______________________________________________ "If the truth shall kill them, let them die.” Endeavoring to master the subtle art of the grapefruit spoon. | |||
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 What about bolt action or straight blowback semi-auto? "The Almighty, He put some livin' things on this earth so a man can eat." - Festus Haggen, Gunsmoke | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
Almost a total non-issue with bolt and lever guns. It can still be a big issue with direct blowback guns in my experience. All semi-auto actions will vent gas back into the receiver because the suppressor forces the gases backwards through the barrel into the action, regardless of the mechanism by which they cycle. I was excited to suppress and tune my Bren 2, believing the gas system would keep the receiver cleaner. It still got filthy. I never shot it with my new can, which would have made a marked difference, but even on my AR, it runs so much cleaner as to not be a reason to want to go to a gas cylinder gun. ______________________________________________ "If the truth shall kill them, let them die.” Endeavoring to master the subtle art of the grapefruit spoon. | |||
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Quit staring at my wife's Butt |
so why not just get an mp5? list on a dd is 1950. the clone market is turning out some nice stuff like MKE and other for less money. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
They're turning up street price in the $1,400-1,600 range.
The short version is because I don't want one. It's a totally different gun. If you want an MP5, they're great. If you want something that isn't an MP5, they're not. ______________________________________________ "If the truth shall kill them, let them die.” Endeavoring to master the subtle art of the grapefruit spoon. | |||
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I put the Blowback9 Gentle Recoil System in my DOE. It consists of an A5 tube, flat spring, KynShot MG hydraulic buffer with a 2.5oz tungsten weight. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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Europtic is showing $1550, but I haven’t seen as low as $1400. | |||
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