The $1,400ish number is showing up in conversations about them online - deals that some guys have gotten at their local shop. I haven’t seen them that low online, but like Dwill says, Eurooptic has them for $1,550. Pretty tempting at that price. If I could find one locally for $100 less, I don’t think I could say no.

The sad thing is bought mine from Europtic less than a month ago, and then it was $100 more, and I thought that was a decent deal. Next month they’ll probably drop it another $100. I can’t believe people are still trying to get near MSRP for it.

DD massively overpriced these things right from jump and I think they know it now. At the $1,200-1,400 mark, they’d sell like crazy.

The AR market is pretty soft. I’d really like to see the upper end start to discount to closer to what they are worth.

I agree Jljones. The difference for me, between PSA offering at 5-600$ and the upper end at 16-1800$ isn’t worth the cash.

I’ll likely order a plain Jane lower and a DOE upper.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
I put the Blowback9 Gentle Recoil System in my DOE.

It consists of an A5 tube, flat spring, KynShot MG hydraulic buffer with a 2.5oz tungsten weight.

Impressions ???

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Originally posted by mike28w:

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
I put the Blowback9 Gentle Recoil System in my DOE.

It consists of an A5 tube, flat spring, KynShot MG hydraulic buffer with a 2.5oz tungsten weight.

Impressions ???

With the Super Safety, you don't even feel it giggling.

That DD is a sharp looking PCC. Just can't justify the cost right now.
A PCC will likely be my next purchase, the Scorpion was top of the list for a while, but some of the newer options [Kuna] are tempting, just need to find a few locally to handle.

I purchased a DD PCC a few weeks ago from Eurooptics for $1550 + tax and shipping. These are some of my thoughts.

Price/Value: I agree with others that this thing is overpriced. It feels like a $1000-$1200 gun to me.

Fit/Finish: I bought a Geissele Super Duty around the same time. I feel the Geissele is a much nicer rifle for similar money. The Geissele is the first rifle I bought where I decided nothing needed to be changed from the factory. The fit and finish of the PCC was not nearly as nice as the Geissele. The PCC started showing wear on the charging handle and it seems rather easy to nick the anodized finish. The Geissele still looks brand new after handling and shooting. I could just be nitpicking details here, but I am not impressed with the fit and finish of this gun. I know the Geissele is an AR-15 and the DD is a PCC, but DD and Geissele are both upper end manufacturers and I believe a valid comparison.

Trigger: The mil-spec trigger that came from DD had an 8.5 lb break. I couldn't deal with it, so I ordered and installed a 3 lb. Blackout Defense Zero trigger. I am very pleased with this replacement trigger and have no desire to change it out.

Accuracy: I tried many different types of ammo. I found the PCC to be very accurate at reasonable distances with any ammo I tried. I was shooting from a sandbag at 25 and 50 yards using a chronograph. I settled on a 124g RMR RN FMJ using 3.8g of N320. My usual pistol loads are 4.0-4.2g of N320. 147g Blazer was quiet but seemed to thump pretty good compared to the sub 124g.

Shooting suppressed: I initially thought I had made a mistake purchasing this gun. The gas blowback through the charging handle was more than I cared to deal with. I switched from a Mojave 9 to a Spectre 9. The Spectre seems to flow better than the Mojave and the gas blowback was less. I tried changing springs and adding buffer weight. I tried a Tubbs flat wire spring. I noticed no difference between it and the factory spring. The Tubbs did not create more room in the buffer tube. The factory spring does not "sproing" that I can tell. I added a Kynshot 2.5 oz spacer. This seemed to further reduce the gas blowback and speed up cycling. I wanted LRBHO, so I used quarters to figure out how much room I needed to get that function back. Turns out I only had to machine the Kynshot spacer thickness from 19mm to 17mm. With a replacement trigger, my own subsonic handloads, the Spectre 9, and the added 2.2 oz of the cut down Kynshot spacer, I think I'm happy with the performance now and will keep this thing. My wife came with me to the range yesterday and shot the PCC. She had no complaints and wanted to keep shooting after a few mags. Recoil and gas blowback not an issue for her at all.

I'll try to get back to the range this week for some more testing. I'd like to try the Mojave again, but this time using the Kynshot spacer weight. I'll likely run the Spectre from now on, but it would be a useful test for those considering adding a buffer spacer.

Thanks for the review. Strange that the Spectre 9 had less gas than the Mojave 9 since the DA can is touted as being a low back pressure wondercan. I keep toying with the idea of putting in a Maxim RDB buffer, but not sure I want the hassle of breaking the castle nut staking, plus deal with the extra charging handle force. Cutting down a spacer seems like a good way to go, but it’s something I don’t have the capability to do myself.

Also worried about putting extra force on their stupid charging handle design. In addition to making it a proprietary length, the contact surface is a cross pin through the aluminum handle instead of just making it even shorter so the front underside interacts with the bolt like and normal AR charging handle. If you’re going to make it a proprietary length anyway, why not just make it the right length in the first place? Maybe someone like Radian will come out with a charging handle specifically for the DD PCC.

I just installed a Maxim Defense RDB buffer system. You have to knock your weight out of the bolt, but it's no longer necessary.

I get absolutely zero blowback gas in my face now and the recoil is absolutely diminished.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
I just installed a Maxim Defense RDB buffer system. You have to knock your weight out of the bolt, but it's no longer necessary.

I get absolutely zero blowback gas in my face now and the recoil is absolutely diminished.

This is on a DD PCC? I know about removing the weight. Did you have to adjust how deep the buffer tube screws in to avoid preloading the buffer? How’s the force to pull back the charging handle?

I did this on my H&R DOE. (one of the most difficult to get running)
I had to screw the tube out two turns to get proper contact.
The first pull is stiff. I learned to give it a yank and it was no problem after that.

I decided to see how the Maxim RDB buffer fit with the DD PCC buffer tube in the factory position, and to my surprise it was pretty much right on, so I gave it a go today. The felt recoil was definitely a lot less, not quite as good as my 9mm CMMG Guard (Banshee) that I also had with me, but much better than the factory hydraulic buffer setup. Reliability was 100% with 124gr unsuppressed and 147 and 150gr suppressed. Gas was about the same as the CMMG, which is to say very little as I was using my CAT MOB. The down side is that the force to manually operate the charging handle was quite bad, heavier than I expected, and worse than a Kriss Vector. I needed to use 2 fingers (one each side), and brace the stock against my body while pulling back. It’s close to being a deal breaker for me. I’m thinking an extended charging handle might help, but sadly that’s not currently an option unless someone comes out with one specifically for the DD PCC since it’s a proprietary length.

ETA: I think the Maxim RDB isn’t for me. Maybe if someone eventually makes an extended charging handle that makes it easier, I’ll go back, but for now I’m out. For now, I’ll try an A5 tube and Kynshot spacer with the original buffer and bolt weight.

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He uses a DD PCC in this video as his "let's mess around with tuning an AR9 for an FRT" host and I gotta be honest, it's not exactly a ringing endorsement for what I want to do with one of these.

*sigh*

I guess I'll let my Stribog be what it is and maybe the universe is just forcing me to the MP5 clone conclusion for the suppressed 9mm giggles conclusion. I suppose there are worse places to end up lol. The AR9 subreddit hive mind swears by the Foxtrot Mike stuff for tuning, and it's cheap enough, maybe that's worth looking into. I did email them a few months ago asking if they were going to do Scorpion magazine lowers and they replied that they had no plans, but if there was enough demand, they'd look into it. I just can't believe that with Magpul magazines in a double stack double feed being available all day long for $18 that companies are still dicking with Glock and Colt mags. It beggars belief for me.